Washington Variety Question type C rev

[GKoehl]

While researching tpe C reverse washington 1964 I noticed the type B arrow tips on page 152 of cherry pickers differs from the type B arrows displayed on 1956 to 1964 reverse. The later (56-64 type B ) arrow tips appear to be the same photo as 1964D type C arrow tips. Has this possible discrepanciy been replaced with new pages? Does anyone know which photos are correct for type B and type C? I believe type C on page 205 (1964D)to be correct but I just do not know.

[wavysteps]

I also have noticed that error concerning the pictures that you have mentioned. As far as I know, there is no corrrection available.

BJ Neff

[JamesWiles]

The photos for the individual type B listings are incorrect. The type B is the same style as all silver proofs which have the leaf extending above the arrow points.

[3¢nicker]

While I don't have the book or the pictures what I do know about confirming the type C's is the leaf southeast of the arrow tips should be touching the bundle. Also, the tail feathers are sharp and have the extra centerline detail in them. The sharpness of the arrow tips apparently do not matter. I formerly thought I found 3 of them because I found sharply struck type A's with well defined arrows.

[GKoehl]

type C reverseWhile I don't have the book or the pictures what I do know about confirming the type C's is the leaf southeast of the arrow tips should be touching the bundle. Also, the tail feathers are sharp and have the extra centerline detail in them. The sharpness of the arrow tips apparently do not matter. I formerly thought I found 3 of them because I found sharply struck type A's with well defined arrows.

Jimmy- from the photos both B and C have leaves southeast but it is my understanding the type B leaf should extend above the arrow tips, the type C is below the highest arrow tip. The individual years 1956-64 displayed in the cherry picker as type B are just the opposite I have looked at many 64Ds and the biggest problem for me to overcome is to find tail feathers with splines.

[Meddle]

Posted these pics in a different thread, hope this helps...

http://board.conecaonline.org/showthread.php?p=6696#post6696"

[GKoehl]

Internet Explorer said it could not open this web site. Perhaps ysou can resend it? Thanks

[Meddle]

Sorry, fixed link...

[GKoehl]

I really apreciate your photos. My problem with identifying one as a type c is the feather splines; however, the photos are very vague regarding the splines. Everything else matches including the placement of the leaves over the QUARTER DOLLARl it's a well struck 64D but compared with a proof it is not that mirror-like. I guess Ill have to send in in for certification to see if my conclusion is correct. Many thaaks to all who contributed.

[JamesWiles]

The leaf in front of the arrow points and above the A in dollar are better defined on the type C than on the type A. Type B is not a factor for the 1964-D. Here are the diagnostic markers for the type C.

Markers:
Stage A: Reverse and Obverse are EDS
Stage B: Die crack down eagle's Right (viewer's Left) wing – MDS
Die crack in field outside eagle's lower Right wing
Die crack on wing under AMERIC of AMERICA
Die chip on eagle's lower Left (viewer's Right) wing
Die crack US of PLURIBUS to wing
Die crack across bust into queue – MDS
Light die crack Northeast from N of IN
Stage C: Two medium die chips on eagle's lower Left (viewer's Right)
wing – LDS
Die break between RU of TRUST – LDS

[GKoehl]

Thanksfor the info, except I do not know how to use it. I do not know the 3 letter terms, and regarding A,B,or C: does a single coin have to have (cracks etc) in all three or just in any one coin? EG if my coin has all items in A, does it mean I definitely have a C Rev?

[JamesWiles]

The die stage markers will help you confirm that you have a Type C reverse. they tell you how the die deteriorated in its production. You should first feel confident you have a Type C by comparing your coin to the published photos. Start at the bottom of the stage listings and work upward. If your coin has the die break between RU then it is an LDS example. If not then move to the stage B markers. If not then move to the stage A markers.

[GKoehl]

I had no idea there is so much documentation for this variety

In addition to reverse die vaiety, when reviewing the obverse, it appears the motto has mechanical doubling. I really think it is DDO but I have yet to identify one of those; it's usually mechanical.

[Meddle]

Grade posted over at PCGS today,

COIN INFORMATION
Cert Verification #: 14275331
PCGS Coin #: 145423
Date, mintmark: 1964-D
Denomination: 25C
Variety: Type C Rev FS-901
Minor Variety:
Mint Error:
Pedigree:
Country: The United States of America
Grade: AU50

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[GKoehl]

Thanks for the additional photos, I appreciate your use of your time to assist.

[coinzip]

Any idea how many type C have been found?

[GKoehl]

Regretfully I have not seen any data regarding finds. I thought I have two (along with about 15 type B...but I am hesitant too forward for cert since I cannot see splines in the tail feathers.

Thanks to all for your input.