1944 D/S OMM-001 1c

[atrox001]

I recently sold this 44 D/S OMM-001 1c on Ebay. The individual sent it back to me saying he had sent it to PCGS and they returned it back to him in a body bag saying it was altered. The individual said: “if you look real close to the stub on the north of the D which is supposed to be remnants of the S, it looks like it was electrically welded on. The contrast of the bright stub and the dark D is quite telling. Since PCGS pointed it out I did look at it real close, and it is missing the tip of the S to the northeast.”...I don't agree. Could I get some opinions if anyone thinks this is genuine 44D/S OMM-001 or not?

Thank You,
Larry Nienaber

[JamesWiles]

Larry:

It certainly looks genuine to me. There are couple of markers you can look for if your coin is high enough grade for them to be present. There is a die scratch from the top of the 1 of the date to the middle of the throat. There is another die scratch horizontal in the field under LIBERTY that goes pretty much all the way across.

Thanks,

James Wiles

[livingdinasaur]

Larry, I don't have the experience, and/or expertice that the good DR Wiles, has, so my opinion probably will go the way of the ""maybe's".
Frankly, I have checked it under high magnification, and can't find any indication of the lower portion of the "S", in the body of the "D". If it were there, it would be noticable, but the field shows only the normal surface indications. Sorry. It could be gouges that happen to coincide with the other "gouge?" NE of the loop of the "D". This has been "kicked around", in other forums, and I don't know if any final conclusion has been reach, or accepted. All due respects to DR. Wiles, but I must disagree.
Later:
Larry, it seems your, and DR Wiles are correct. I checked on coppercions.com, and it is posted. My appologies ti both you and the Good DR. Wiles. I should hace checked, before "spouting off"!
Dick

[rfrank22]

Looks to me like theres just extra metal NW of the D. Also there is definitely something there E.of D.

[wavysteps]

The "grading" companies employ there own attributer's, who on the whole, do not have the experience that Dr. Wiles has. While talking to one of the Representatives of such a company, I was told "that it did not make any difference who attributed the variety", the company would go on their own assumption of what their attributer said.

While this may seem contrary, it does make some sense since they, the grading companies, are ultimately responsible for what they put on that label. If they make a mistake in attribution, then it comes out of their pocket.

For the record, I do agree with Dr. Wiles' assessment of the particular coin presented in this thread.

BJ Neff

[RICHARD]

LARRY,
the lower portion of the S, as mentioned by another fellow member, does not show as clear seperation, however it does show as extra metal or thickness. the northern portion looks right as well. if the markers match up, i would say you have a good coin,

RICHARD

[Ed varietyhunter]

I think they made a mistake.
It looks like OMM#1 FS-020 to me. (the big one in the red book)

You might check the markers but I'd be 99% sure it's it.

[diamond]

It certainly looks genuine to me, also. This wouldn't be the first authentic variety that was body bagged.

[coppercoins]

The coin could still be altered in some other way, but the alteration is not the fact that this is an over mintmark. It is OMM-001, no question about it in my mind.

[atrox001]

I believe it is going to be a lot of fun watching this forum…what a great idea! Thank you for all the input and responses to the post. I can’t see any evidence of the markers that James Wiles mentioned or the marker shown on Coppercoins…there is a lot of ware from circulation. I am convinced this is genuine.

Thanks again to everyone,
Larry Nienaber

[foundinrolls]

If someone faked this, they would have had to go through a lot of trouble to shape the opening inside the D perfectly.

Everything about this mintmark is correct. This is OMM D/S FS # 1c - 020 as seen in the CPG.

Thanks,
Bill O'