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zonad
07-19-2011, 08:40 AM
Hi, I'm looking for opinions about this coin. I did send it to PCGS, they did not charge me and the only comment was "no decision". The weight is correct but the coins is larger in diameter and thinner than a normal 50 cent piece.
Thanks to all who comment.

diamond
07-19-2011, 09:20 AM
It's a fake. The curved raised line and faint denticles inside it were impressed by false dies. Why PCGS hedged on it is beyond me.

zonad
07-19-2011, 02:33 PM
So, you're saying the coin is a counterfeit? The last strike of the three strikes was almost centered but must have been without a collar. The curved raised line must have been the first strike because it did not damage any details from the other strikes. The second strike was also almost centered as well.

diamond
07-19-2011, 03:13 PM
The coin is real. The additional strike(s) were delivered by fake dies.

jcuve
07-19-2011, 04:17 PM
I am by no means qualified to say it is a fake, but looking at the order and location of the supposed extra strikes doesn't make sense (to me at least). Where did you get the coin?

diamond
07-19-2011, 04:51 PM
The soft blended overlap between the faint, extra design elements and the normal design is characteristic of crude fakes. Also the absence of sharp, but incomplete penetration of first-strike elements through the second-strike elements is also a clear signal of fakery. Thirdly, a genuine strike will not produce a strong, raised impression of the rim gutter of the die in the middle of a coin.

As I said, this is not a tough call.

jcuve
07-19-2011, 06:46 PM
Thanks for the additional information Mike!

zonad
07-19-2011, 07:31 PM
Thank you for your opinion. I purchased the coin last year in a collection of errors. Out of 11 submitted to PCGS this was the only one not ok'd. I would like your opinion of the order of the strikes so I can understand what happened, and how it happened. Here's another photo, closer. Wouldn't the field of the offcenter strike mash the detail of the crown if the strike was enough to cause the raised portion of rim and denticles?

diamond
07-19-2011, 07:53 PM
I've already given you the order of the strikes. The strong, centered strike came first and is the only genuine strike. All others came later and were delivered by fake dies of a relatively soft consistency. I have nothing further to say concerning this specimen.

zonad
07-19-2011, 08:12 PM
Sometimes looking at error coins, being genuine or aftermarket gives me a headache when I try to imaginarily reverse engineer them. This is a good example. I'd like to see others created in a similar manner. Thanks again.

jcuve
07-19-2011, 09:43 PM
Fake double strikes made with these soft dies pop on eBay every so often.

zonad
08-02-2011, 07:16 PM
The coin is now in the hands of my Canadian Error coin Expert buddy for a hands on opinion. I will let you know his opinion and comments.