1998 P Roosevelt Dime Obv StrikeThru Error?

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I have a 1998 P Roosevelt Dime with what I believe to be a strikethru error on the Obverse. I have attached pics but, they are not the best, although the best that I have been able to take thurfar. The strikethru is in the eye and down the side of the nose area. I don't know if you can see from the pics but, there is an area (front of eye) which looks like part of the metal was scraped out from underneath the eyelid down in front of the eye which seems to have erased the front portion of the eye, especially the eyeball, and downwards. Notice where the eyeball starts on the eyelid, versus the normal Roosevelt Dime eye. There is a upside down impression on the side of the nose cartliage which I believe to be the branches from the reverse device. (pics1 & 2) The reverse shows a raised area (ridge) underneath the 1st "U" in E-Pluribus and into the same branches that appear to have been strikethru on the obverse. The ridge extends up and slightly to the left under the berry and into the leaves above the berry. Does anyone have any information about strikethru of the 1998 P Roosevelt Dimes? (pic3 & 4) Thanks for your input. :)
Fran

[wavysteps]

I think I know what you are trying to indicate.

You are saying that the reverse die had a die chip that fell out and was struck into the obverse die?

While this may be possible (it may have happened on two obverse dies in 1983 on the Lincoln cent), it is hard to tell without coin in hand.

BJ Neff

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This all appears to be the result of clashed dies. I see no evidence of a strike-thru.

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Hello BJ...
Please correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't a strike thru (struck thru) where the device on one side of a coin is struck and goes thru to the other side showing part of the design on the second side also? It appears to me that some of the reverse device (folage/branch) might possibly have been lightly struck thru to the eye and nose area of this coin. I've never personally seen a struck thru coin so I am not really sure what to look for other than from pics that I've seen.

The line (or slightly raised ridge) on the reverse side of the coin appears to me to be in the shape of Roosevelt's forehead and nose profile and, I believe, lines up as if it might be struck thru from the obverse onto the reverse. I wouldn't call it a chip because each end of it simply disappears into the field. I don't know how to show areas in my pics with arrows or I could point to the areas I'm talking about. Does any of my description make sense to you? I hope so. Thanks for your reply.
Fran

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Thanks Mike, for your reply.

Yes... your description is what I believe is going on with this dime. I definitely had my terms confused. I just replied to BJ's reply and tried to give a better explanation of what I think I'm seeing in the coin, however, I again erroneously referred to the error as a struck thru. Thanks for the help. The forum is really informative and I do appreciate everyone's guidance.

Fran

[adelv_unegv]

I'm not an expert by any means. But I understand a "strike through" to be a planchet being struck with something between one (or more) die(s) and the planchet -- i.e. a staple between a die and planchet. Where a "clashed die" is where two dies clashed into each other with no planchet between them. This causes some design elements from one die to press into the opposite die. Then, when a planchet is struck, the design (complete with clash) is stamped into the coin.

Hope this helps clarify. If I'm mistaken, I would like to know.

[searching4errors]

Thanks for your reply, adelv_unegv,

I definitely have a lot to learn about error coins and it seems that this is the place to be. Your input is much appreciated. Thanks!

Fran

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Mike... I have a question about the 1998 P Roosevelt Dime which I posted a question about earlier this month? I had thought that maybe the error was a Struck Thru but, you diagnosed it as a Clashed Die error. In searching for Peace Dollar error coins today, I came across this Peace Dollar which is graded by NCG as a Struck Through and the damage resembles the damage as on the 1998 P Roosevelt Dime in question. I have included a link for your viewing: http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?SaleNo=371&LotIdNo=18033&txtSearch=&hdnSearch=true#Photo Can you please tell me the difference in this damage versus the damage on the obverse of the dime in question? Did NGC mis-diagnose and mis-label this coin as a Struck Thru rather than a Clashed Die? :confused: Thank you for your comments! Fran

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NGC is correct on this one. The reverse face was struck through an accumulation of grease or dirt on the die face. There is no damage, just design elements that failed to strike up properly because the corresponding recesses in the die face were clogged with gunk. It shares absolutely nothing in common with your dime, which shows incuse, mirror-image design elements on each face transferred from the opposite die.

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Thanks again Mike! Don't know if I'll ever understand the minting process enough to absorb all this info. on error coins. Does Coneca offer any educational literature or videos on the minting process and the steps in which error coins occur during the minting process for its members? I am a new member and just received my membership packet a couple of days ago. I'm really interested in learning more about error coins and die varities. Thanks again for your guidance. :)
Fran

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I recommend buying a basic reference, such as the Error Coin Encyclopedia (4th ed.) by Arnie Marglois and Fred Weinberg, the Official Price Guide to Mint Errors (7th edition) by Alan Herbert, or the ANA short course on the minting process and minting varieties and errors by James Wiles. It's available at the ANA store at www.money.org.

[searching4errors]

Thanks for the suggested reading material, Mike. I'll be sure to check them out.
Fran