Help with Capped Die Strick

[jsellards]

My question is, If this is a Capped Die Strick how does the Head of Lincoln show as strong as on this coin?
Jack

[diamond]

It's a mid-stage brockage. Presumably the floor of the cap was thin enough for a ghost image of Lincoln's bust to bleed through.

[jsellards]

Mike, Thanks for the quick response!
Jack

[Zimmy]

Mike,
Are you sure this isn't an example of a clashed cap. It appears that the Lincoln is too strong for this early of a capped die strike. I would suggest that this was a mid to late stage die cap that then picked up the reverse die and then maybe another few strikes to get it to this point. I am only thinking out loud here. What do you think?

[diamond]

I don't think the ghost is all that strong. I believe it is compatible with a conventional mid-stage brockage. Note also that the brockage is complete in those parts that are present and of uniform strength. With most clashed cap strikes, part of the brockage is weak or absent. That's because the thin floor of the cap doesn't pick up a full image when it clashes with the reverse die.

[Zimmy]

I was just thinking about that. My examples of clashed caps do not show the details of the reverse where they overlap the lincoln design since that area would not be making direct contact with the reverse die. Thanks for your advice.

[jsellards]

Zimmy
You have peaked my interest with the comment about "a Clashed Cap". I would like to see a picture of such a coin error if you have one. I am not sure I have ever heard of or seen one. The coin in the post with this message has a stronger Lincoln and I think that it is a Capped Die Strick.

[diamond]

Here is a clashed cap strike.

176

Note the only slightly expanded but incomplete incuse Memorial overlying a strong ghost of Lincoln.

[diamond]

Here's another. In this case the die cap was striking counterbrockages before it clashed with the reverse die.

177

[Zimmy]

[Here are my clashed capped dies. The pictures could be better. Thanks.

208

209

210

[diamond]

The first two are definite clashed cap strikes. The third I'm not sure of, since I don't see much evidence of a ghost of Lincoln and the center of the Memorial is uninterrupted. Then again, the brockage is incomplete around the periphery. A toss-up from my vantage point.

[Zimmy]

The picture is bad but Lincoln does show through. The original cap is at the point where lincoln is just beginning to come through and the memorial has faded away.

[Zimmy]

I also forgot to mention that the middle picture shows an indented date on the shoulder. I need more education on this error type but I think it has something to do with a shifted cap.

[diamond]

I also forgot to mention that the middle picture shows an indented date on the shoulder. I need more education on this error type but I think it has something to do with a shifted cap.

This incuse date is normally oriented? Is it rotated relative to the normal date? If so, it may indicated a strike from a rotated die cap. But that conflicts with the two Memorials -- one expanded and one not -- that are in line with each other. Evidently something more complex is going on.

[Zimmy]

Sorry but I told you the wrong coin that had the incused date. It is the first clashed cap dated 1982. The incused date is rotated and ended up at the K5:30 position near the rim area. It is easy to see under magnification. If you look close enough, you can barely see it on my scanned picture.

[diamond]

I see it now. It looks normally oriented. Maybe the cap rotated before the clash, and the clash eliminated other signs of a rotated cap. That's all I can think of, anyway.