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CONECA (pronounced: CŌ´NECA) is a national numismatic organization devoted to the education of error and variety coin collectors. CONECA focuses on many error and variety specialties, including doubled dies, Repunched mintmarks, multiple errors, clips, double strikes, off-metals and off-centers—just to name a few. In addition to its website, CONECA publishes an educational journal, The Errorscope, which is printed and mailed to members bimonthly. CONECA offers a lending library, examination, listing and attribution services; it holds annual meetings at major conventions (referred to as Errorama) around the country.

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    Just wanted to pass out a Hello to fellow CONECA members. I'm new to CONECA, new to the forum and new to error-variety collecting. Looking forward to what appears to be great camaraderie and FUN on this topic and site.
    First and second newbie question if I may (I've seen varying opinions from non-experts). Is there a difference between a "die crack" and a "die break" or are they used synonymously?...and is the coin which presents this condition considered an "error" coin or "variety" of a die stage or neither? Thanks for any education and apologizes for the elementary question.......but your expert opinions matter in my book!
    Rob
    Bob
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    A die break refers to a void in the die face produced by brittle failure. In other words, a piece fell out of the die face. With a die crack no metal is lost. The sides of the crack just spread apart or slide past each other vertically (a bi-level die crack). There is no consensus among experts as to whether any form of brittle failure constitutes a die variety or a die error. I opt for the latter. -- Mike Diamond
    Mike Diamond. Error coin writer and researcher.

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      Thank you Mike....your answer really helped me further understand this topic. Education is a wonderful thing! Rob
      Bob
      CONECA Member

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        Welcome. Nice to see another New face.

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          Originally posted by flyank View Post
          Just wanted to pass out a Hello to fellow CONECA members. I'm new to CONECA, new to the forum and new to error-variety collecting. Looking forward to what appears to be great camaraderie and FUN on this topic and site.
          First and second newbie question if I may (I've seen varying opinions from non-experts). Is there a difference between a "die crack" and a "die break" or are they used synonymously?...and is the coin which presents this condition considered an "error" coin or "variety" of a die stage or neither? Thanks for any education and apologizes for the elementary question.......but your expert opinions matter in my book!
          Rob
          Hi Frank, Welcome to CONECA. Mike Diamond answered the question of the difference between a die crack and break aptly. As for your second question, Mike is correct here too. There seems to be no consensus among specialists. I for one consider anything that occurs to a die to be a die variety. However, I tend to use the term "variety" only when I feel the aberration is collectible. For example, I consider a Cud to be a variety. A die crack on the face of a Morgan or Peace dollar that is deemed collectible is a variety in my world. Others consider these as errors.
          To that I say, look at your wife's aging skin (assuming you have a wife and she is aged) and notice the wrinkles around her eyes and tell her she's an error ... and then duck! LOL.
          Getting back on topic, I tend to call minor "noncollectable" varieties "variations" only to differentiate the term from "variety" which tends to "add value" in the minds of many.
          Here is how I see it. If you put a new set of tires on your car, and dive 40-thousand miles, they will eventually succumb to normal wear and tear. Normal wear and tear on your tires is not an error. Thus normal wear and tear to dies manifested by die cracks, breaks, clashes, etc., are not errors. These are inherent to die use.
          On the other hand, a doubled die is created by process that demands care and an inspection to pass a die for use. If a minor one gets by, I consider it normal. If a big one gets by I consider it a die variety and an error. In effect, a major doubled die is more an error than a Cud. In practical usage though, I'd call a doubled die a variety no matter how wide the spread is.
          You'll notice that in the Cherrypickers' Guide To Rare Die Varieties, that Doubled Dies, Repunched Mintmarks, Clashes, Die Breaks, etc., are all listed as varieties. The same can be said for the VAM book and many others. Honestly, though there are two schools of thought and both are here to stay. It's just a matter of respecting others' opinions.
          Ken Potter
          Ken Potter
          CONECA Public Relations
          Member of: CONECA-HLM, ANA-LM, MSNS-HLM, NWDCC, CSNS, NLG, IASAC, Fly-In
          Visit my website: http://koinpro.tripod.com
          Visit CONECA's Website
          Unless otherwise noted, images are by Ken Potter and copyright Ken Potter 2015.


          CONECA Notice: Any individual is encouraged to submit articles, opinions, or any other material beneficial to the numismatic community. Contributions should not be libelous or slanderous; ethics and good taste shall be adhered to. Opinions expressed herein do not necessarily represent the official CONECA policy or those of its officers. The act of submitting material shall constitute an expressed warranty by the contributor that the material is original; if not, source and permission must be provided.

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            Seems to be picking up around here.

            It has been ALONG time seeing posts here. I'm glad to see it picking up again!

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              Dar,
              I promiced Jamz that I'd pop in now and then, so here I am.
              I'll try to post regularly.
              Ken
              Ken Potter
              CONECA Public Relations
              Member of: CONECA-HLM, ANA-LM, MSNS-HLM, NWDCC, CSNS, NLG, IASAC, Fly-In
              Visit my website: http://koinpro.tripod.com
              Visit CONECA's Website
              Unless otherwise noted, images are by Ken Potter and copyright Ken Potter 2015.


              CONECA Notice: Any individual is encouraged to submit articles, opinions, or any other material beneficial to the numismatic community. Contributions should not be libelous or slanderous; ethics and good taste shall be adhered to. Opinions expressed herein do not necessarily represent the official CONECA policy or those of its officers. The act of submitting material shall constitute an expressed warranty by the contributor that the material is original; if not, source and permission must be provided.

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                Welcome to the forum fly.
                Proud Member: CONECA, TEC, HVNS, NS, ANA, WIN, WINS, MSNS

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                  Just wanted to say hi as another new forum member.
                  Regards Paddy
                  Last edited by Paddy54; 04-22-2015, 09:41 PM.

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