A possible new doubled die DDR 1970p cent

[coinartist]

I just found a new possible doubled die variety 1970 P cent in a roll about two months ago DDR.

There is an extra bar line above the building and also around the left side of the building .The doubling is round and clear it is not a die gouge or MD or die deterioration doubling to me anyway i would like some opinions on this please
Thank you Brad

[rockdude]

This is a common spot for die damage, die deterioration, and machine doubling to take their effects. It's damage. Didn't you send this in already?

[coinartist]

This is a common spot for die damage, die deterioration, and machine doubling to take their effects. It's damage. Didn't you send this in already?

What i don't understand what you are talking about sent it were. I want Mike to look at it he's the expert.
Why did you ask me Rockdude if i sent this in were would i send it to who ZEUS? Rockdude it's not damage i know the differance between damage and doubling.

Brad

[rockdude]

When you reported this in Aug. '09 on another forum you were going to send it in "I will be sending these in to confirm my discovery to Ken Potor or John wexler" These are your words and that's what I was referring to.
Only a fool would think of sending it to Zeus.

It is likely a die gouge that is causing the lines on the coin. Joe

[diamond]

It does look like an interesting defect. It would be an unusual form for a doubled die to take, though. I think you would be better off sending the coin to James Wiles or BJ Neff, since they are more skilled in handling subtle die varieties.

[coinartist]

It does look like an interesting defect. It would be an unusual form for a doubled die to take, though. I think you would be better off sending the coin to James Wiles or BJ Neff, since they are more skilled in handling subtle die varieties.

Thank you Mike for your input and your suggestion were to send it.Thank you again Mike
Brad

[coinartist]

When you reported this in Aug. '09 on another forum you were going to send it in "I will be sending these in to confirm my discovery to Ken Potor or John wexler" These are your words and that's what I was referring to.
Only a fool would think of sending it to Zeus.

It is likely a die gouge that is causing the lines on the coin. Joe

Die gouges dont curve around the building as i indicated with the arrows look at the pic again do you see the third line and also hugging the left side of the building and the images are are round and raised.

Look at the red arrows and see what i mean and my name is Brad ,Tom.

[rockdude]

Alright, if you would post the results when you get them back from whom ever you send it to that would be great. Joe

[coinartist]

Alright, if you would post the results when you get them back from whom ever you send it to that would be great. Joe

Why are you calling me Joe you must have me mixed up with some other person.
Please call me Brad What if i called you dockcrude would you like it?.
Brad

[rockdude]

OK BRAD, does that make you feel better? Joe

[rockdude]

I see what you are confused about. I sign at the end of my posts,Joe. You think I am calling you Joe. Wow you had me worried for a minute, I thought you just wanted to start an argument.

[JamesWiles]

There is no need to send this anywhere. It is a common occurance from the late 60s and early 70s. I call it abrasion doubling, others call it die deterioration doubling. Not matter what its called it is false doubling and not a doubled die.
Thanks,
James Wiles

[coinartist]

There is no need to send this anywhere. It is a common occurance from the late 60s and early 70s. I call it abrasion doubling, others call it die deterioration doubling. Not matter what its called it is false doubling and not a doubled die.
Thanks,
James Wiles

Thank you James i have already sent in in and waiting for the outcome. Thank you again.
Brad

[coinartist]

I see what you are confused about. I sign at the end of my posts,Joe. You think I am calling you Joe. Wow you had me worried for a minute, I thought you just wanted to start an argument.

I'm very Sorry Joe I didn't realize you were calling yourself that I thought you were calling me that Sorry again Joe Rockdue.
Brad:)

[rockdude]

No problem Bra.

[foundinrolls]

Hi Joe,

It is Joe, coinartist....We discussed this coin on another forum and with pictures that I provided of other coins came to the same conclusion as Dr. Wiles. The fact that you are Joe, was established on the other forum before you were removed.

We've seen this coin elsewhere and the conclusion was always the same. It is a form of die deterioration doubling.

Thanks,
Bill O'

[coinartist]

Hi Joe,

It is Joe, coinartist....We discussed this coin on another forum and with pictures that I provided of other coins came to the same conclusion as Dr. Wiles. The fact that you are Joe, was established on the other forum before you were removed.

We've seen this coin elsewhere and the conclusion was always the same. It is a form of die deterioration doubling.

Thanks,
Bill O'

I think you re mixing me up with somebody else my name is not Joe it's Brad and you are the second person that called me Joe please my name is Brad there's some kind of mix up here. Thank you for your opinion on my coin I sent this coin in awhile back and I did not get the results yet I just feel it's a doubled die now that's just my opinion. Thank you for your input Foundinrolls and everybody else.

I will post the results when i get the coin back
Thanks again everyone
Brad

[rockdude]

I think you re mixing me up with somebody else my name is not Joe it's Brad and you are the second person that called me Joe please my name is Brad there's some kind of mix up here. Thank you for your opinion on my coin I sent this coin in awhile back and I did not get the results yet I just feel it's a doubled die now that's just my opinion. Thank you for your input Foundinrolls and everybody else.

I will post the results when i get the coin back
Thanks again everyone
Brad
Thanks it would be nice to see the results. Joe

[coinartist]

Thanks it would be nice to see the results. Joe

I will do that yes indeed. I changed my Avatar so now i don't have to worry about this guy Joe you talk about.
Thanks Joe Rockdude again you are a wonderful honest human being $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Brad

[rockdude]

Well I hate to be the to tell you this but it's signed Joseph Mantia also.

[coinartist]

Well I hate to be the to tell you this but it's signed Joseph Mantia also.

Well i better take that one off to i know a guy who used three of somebodys artwork an downloaded them three that's alot of money he had to pay he found him finally ,and brought him to court and won a thousand dollars, wow thanks joe Rockdude for helping me out.

You must have alot of friends since you are such a nice human being and a honest person too Thank you again Joe:)

Brad:eek::eek::eek::eek:

[rockdude]

Well i better take that one off to i know a guy who used three of somebodys artwork an downloaded them three that's alot of money he had to pay he found him finally ,and brought him to court and won a thousand dollars, wow thanks joe Rockdude for helping me out.

You must have alot of friends since you are such a nice human being and a honest person too Thank you again Joe:)

Brad:eek::eek::eek::eek:

Well since you just used them I'm sure that the owner would like to bring you to court also. Thanks for that info. But I know different. Joe

[coinartist]

Well since you just used them I'm sure that the owner would like to bring you to court also. Thanks for that info. But I know different. Joe

He already got in touch with me and i have know idea how he did that, he says he's Zectar what the hell is a Zectar this is weird to me and i'm really getting worried about this. I came on here to talk about coins and now i'm being watched from some guy Zectar what the heck is this Rockdude Joe .:confused:

I will not post here know more goodby:confused:
Brad

[rockdude]

I don't know but I got the same kind of goofy messages from a member named statehood1951 . I've recieved other from someone named jazzcoins that he is Zectar.I don't know why anyone would want to behave like that. I even got a message from you coinartist and you signed it "HI dude Zectar " So if anyone should know it's you.

[Coolcoinz]

I don't know but I got the same kind of goofy messages from a member named statehood1951 . I've recieved other from someone named jazzcoins that he is Zectar.I don't know why anyone would want to behave like that. I even got a message from you coinartist and you signed it "HI dude Zectar " So if anyone should know it's you.

I just got a message on another forum about the same thing on coin chat weird what is going on here some nut case maybe
JIM

[rockdude]

Did you just join Collcoinz? Welcome

[Coolcoinz]

Did you just join Collcoinz? Welcome

Thank you for the welcome
JIM COOLCOINZ DEALERSHIP

[rockdude]

I just got a message on another forum about the same thing on coin chat weird what is going on here some nut case maybe
JIM
I've been a member for some time on that forum, I'll look for you.

[Coolcoinz]

Alright, if you would post the results when you get them back from whom ever you send it to that would be great. Joe

Looks like a doubled die to me .

JIM

[coinartist]

I've been a member for some time on that forum, I'll look for you.

Were's the forum Rockdude
Brad

[coinartist]

OK BRAD, does that make you feel better? Joe

Yes thank you Joe
Brad

[rockdude]

I thought you said;
I will not post here know more goodby
Brad

[coinartist]

I thought you said;
I will not post here know more goodby
Brad

Yea I will move on to another place goodby my friend
Brad