High priced Lincoln cent DDOs

[wavysteps]

http://cgi.ebay.com/2006-1c-Major-DDO-3-O-IV-VIII-CDDO-028-WDDO-032-Big-One_W0QQitemZ300171829675QQihZ020QQcategoryZ524QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
2006 1c Major DDO 3-O-IV+VIII CDDO-028 WDDO-032 Big One

I was one of the first to see this die, courtesy of Robert Tingle and to date, very few have been found. This die was actually found in the beginning of 2007 and may have been one of the last obverse dies used for the Lincoln cent mintage of 2006.

For those of you living in the bottom half of Ohio and the upper part of Kentucky, this gem may very well be in your pocket change.

BJ Neff

[namingdiecracks]

http://cgi.ebay.com/2006-1c-Major-DDO-3-O-IV-VIII-CDDO-028-WDDO-032-Big-One_W0QQitemZ300171829675QQihZ020QQcategoryZ524QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
2006 1c Major DDO 3-O-IV+VIII CDDO-028 WDDO-032 Big One

I was one of the first to see this die, courtesy of Robert Tingle and to date, very few have been found. This die was actually found in the beginning of 2007 and may have been one of the last obverse dies used for the Lincoln cent mintage of 2006.

For those of you living in the bottom half of Ohio and the upper part of Kentucky, this gem may very well be in your pocket change.

BJ Neff

Dang you need an "Electron Microscope" to see that. Don't you think my proof error/varieties are more dramtic and rarer than that?

[1SGRET]

:) They may be expensive, however my feelings are, that they are well worth the cost. I have both the Stage A (EDS) and the Stage B. Just for everyones info log on to E-bay and go to search sellers and type in Murphyaln (Murphy Variety Coins). He has a Stage B up for bid. Hope this might help someone who is looking for a nice 2006-P DDO of this variey. They are hard to locate.

[mustbebob]

I have been tracking this die from the very beginning. Through all sources that I know, there have been between 19-23 reported. Almost all have been found in Indiana. No one knows how many were struck, but we can certainly assume there were more than the 23 I have tracked and also based on the Stage B specimen with the die crack in the head. Until someone finds and reports a bunch of them, we can assume that they are extrememly scarce, and should command a premium based on the strength and class of the doubling. In my mind, this is the best Lincoln Cent variety discovery since the 1995 doubled dies.

Bob Piazza

[AgCollector]

That really is a nice one. What I can't get over is how many different doubled die varieties there are for 2006 cents- although most are of course minor it's really incredible.

[AgCollector]

Also on the subject, anyone see this auction claiming to be the same variety:

http://cgi.ebay.com/2006-P-CENT-Double-Die-Obverse-THE-BIG-ONE-NO-RES_W0QQitemZ190176954468QQihZ009QQcategoryZ31373Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

yet LIBERTY doesn't appear to have any doubling at all!

[wavysteps]

AgCollector has sharp eyes and the reason that there is minimal doubling on LIBERTY may be confusion as to what this seller has.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f292/Wavystep2003/PB250001copy.jpg

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What this die MAY be is 2006P-1DER-003WS; Coppercoins 2006P-1DR-001 and Wexler's, WDDR-002. John is the only one to recognize a minor doubling on LIBERTY (see top picture) where there is extra thickness on the left arm of the Y and slight rotation on Lincoln's mounth (see middle picture)

This coin also sports a moderate wavy step die (see bottom picture) and thus the two reverse die numbers.

This is not the big one or even a close second and goes to show that education and attributing a die correctly are important tools when dealing with variety and error coins.

Yes, 2006 has been an exceptional year for the double dies, giving us a smörgåsbord of varied dies to look for.

Bob P. has made a very accurate statement (referring to CONECA 2006, DDO-003; Coppercoins 2006P-1DO-017) and has been with this die since the beginning also. While there have been may doubled dies since the 1995 Lincoln cent bunch (from both Denver and Philadelphia mints all though they were all made at Philadelphia die shop), this may be the finest single squeeze doubled die to date. We must remember that the 1995 doubled dies may have been created using the multiple hubbing system.


As for the price that this die attained, it is not that surprising or an over reach of money spent. For those who have seen this die in hand, I think that they we all agree it was a very fair auction price and for those of us who are luck to have one .........well!!!!!!

BJ Neff

[Car10]

That must be one of "Rita's creations" . Did you see her feedback?

[nuts4errorcoins]

has anyone found any with die crack skull??

[wavysteps]

If you are referring to 2006 Lincoln cent, DDO-003, yes they have. A die crack formed early (EDS) on the forehead of Lincoln and this may be one of the causes why few have been found; the die may have had a short life due to that die crack. However, that is just conjecture on my part.

BJ Neff

[AgCollector]

That must be one of "Rita's creations" . Did you see her feedback?

Anyone else get a private message from "rita" starting with


that be me ! my name is Daryl and i know alot of us out there dont believe I COULD HAVE THIS VARIETY! why NOT? the pic in my listing are not the best but all markers (EDS) match to coppercoins and some they dont have!
if i only had a 50 times loop to show the doubling!


If only he knew that you don't need a 50x loupe to see the doubling on the true specimen (CONECA 3-O-IV+VIII).

[wavysteps]

AgCollector - Sure did and what it all comes down to is that he thinks he has the major 2006 Lincoln cent doubled die. From the pictures that he posted in his auction, it does not appear to be so.

If he had the 2006 Lincoln cent die attributed by, James Wiles or John Wexler or Bob Piazza or Chuck Daughtrey or Billy Crawford or what the heck, even me and it was 2006 Lincoln cent, DDO-003, then I would say, "yes" they can be found in Florida. However, until that time, I'll stick with my first opinion and say that they are not the doubled die stated.

BJ Neff

[neal]

If you are referring to 2006 Lincoln cent, DDO-003, yes they have. A die crack formed early (EDS) on the forehead of Lincoln and this may be one of the causes why few have been found; the die may have had a short life due to that die crack. However, that is just conjecture on my part.

BJ Neff

Dear Mr. Neff I am a new member of this post I have no Idea what I am doing please bear with me. I have found a couple 2006 Lincoln cent DDo with die cracks on the back of the skull. . How long would a die last after a major crack started, and would the mint try to repair it or toss it?

Neal

[wavysteps]

Hi Neal and welcome to the forum.

Okay, to your question. When looking at die cracks, it mostly depends on what decade the coin is that your looking at. In the 1950's, the MINT seemed to use the obverse die until it almost fell apart and the result was massive die cracks on the head of Lincoln. The same can be said for the early 1980's when the reverse dies were used very late in the game which lead to large quantities of die cracks on those dies, especially in the year 1983.

Hop to the present and we still see die cracks forming on both the reverse and obverse dies. For some odd reason, the MINT will replace a obverse die with a defect on it faster than they will a reverse die. As far as how long a die will last when it develops a die crack is up to just how brittle that die is. When a die is new, it has less tendencies to form or continue a die crack. As the die ages, it becomes more brittle and the tendency to form die cracks increases and so to the chance of that crack spreading faster.

The press operator will periodically check the coins coming from the machine, to see what the condition the dies are in If he see some defect on the coin associated with the die and feels that the die is in need of replacement due to that defect, then that die is replaced and not used agin.

The MINT does not repair dies, it is not cost productive and it is hard to work tempered steel, which the die is made from.

I hope that this answers your questions and if you have more, please feel free to post them; that is what we are here for.

BJ Neff

[mustbebob]

Not wanting to harp on an old story, I just wanted to update numbers for the 2006P 'Big one" or CONECA DDO-003 (coppercoins 2006P-1DO-017). I have been sent a few coins claiming to be this die for attribution, and none of them were remotely close to being the actual die. In addition, it seems an individual may be trying to buy up as many of these as possible. As of the present, the numbers are still what I reported back in October. Between Murph and myself, we have it at 20 specimens, with 3/4 of them being the stage B (die crack) variety. Once again, there have been no reports of them being found outside of the Indiana (and 1 in Pennsylvania) areas. It should be noted that as coins circulate, they tend to spread out a bit, and it may be possible to pick one up about anywhere.
If you are lucky enough to have one or more of these coins, I think you should hold onto it. It has been over a year since they were first reported, and yet the numbers remain the same. Very scarce to rare would still be my personal assumption.

[wavysteps]

Hey Bob - Long time no see. Just to give you an update, James Wiles just attributed six (I believe) 2006, DDO-003s. So they can be added to the count.

Check in the die variety forum, half way down the page for the post on these finds.

BJ Neff

[mustbebob]

Thanks BJ,
Had I been visiting this site more often like I should be doing, I would have read that. I will add those to the total and assume that they had not been reported before, especially since Neal said they found them. That is actually pretty exciting news and should show folks that they are out there. Either way, the total still remains very low, and as you stated, it very well could be one of the scarcest dies and maybe one of the priciest on the modern Lincoln cent series.

[wavysteps]

Actually, I should have informed you for I now remember that you and Murphy (the person who discovered this die) are keeping track of just how many of them are found.

BJ

[neal]

I am interesed is selling some of my 2006-P DD0-003 pennies what would be the best way to do this? I have found more.

[1SGRET]

Just for your count I have 1- Stage "A" and now 2 for Stage "B". FOUND MY SECOND STAGE "B'" in a :rolleyes:Bank roll search 2 months ago. Highest graded I have is MS 64 (ANACS) Stage "A" and AU-55 Stage "B" and the other one MS-65 Stage "B". All are listed at the POP report for ANACS. I live in NC next to TN and GA.

[wavysteps]

Neal - your best bet is to place then on an on line auction. For obvious reasons, I can not say which auction site is the best, however, there are more than a few to choose from.

1SGRET - I appreciate your up date on the count of this hard to find DDO. I am sure that those who are following this thread and keeping track of the information will also appreciate it.

BJ Neff

[mustbebob]

I am indeed still keeping track. As of tonight, the numbers are 11 stage A, and 18 stage Bs reported for a total of 29. However, I don't know if any of them have been reported more than once. Either way folks...it is still an incredible find of one of the strongest doubled dies since the 'single squeeze' was begun.

[1SGRET]

Bob: My stage "A" was purchased from Brian Allen last year and my Stage "B" was purchased from Robert Tingle last year. The third coin Stage "B" was never reported until today and was found 2 months ago in my search of Lincolns. Hope this helps out on your stats.

Joe Koelling

[mustbebob]

It does help a great deal. At least I have an idea of reported coins from some time ago and newly found specimens. I have already had reports on Brian's and Robert's coins, but the third one you found is what I need to know. I will never get an exact count, but we remain pretty close on this nice variety. Thank you 1SGRET.

[1SGRET]

Glad I could help Bob. Keep us posted on your count if you don't mind. Hopefully I'll find some more!!!!!!! Joe

[mustbebob]

Based on the newest info I have, and recalculationg yours, I am back to what I reported earlier in this thread. 11 Stage A and 18 Stage B specimens for a total of 29 coins.

[1SGRET]

Just for your count I have 1- Stage "A" and now 2 for Stage "B". FOUND MY SECOND STAGE "B'" in a :rolleyes:Bank roll search 2 months ago. Highest graded I have is MS 64 (ANACS) Stage "A" and AU-55 Stage "B" and the other one MS-65 Stage "B". All are listed at the POP report for ANACS. I live in NC next to TN and GA.

Correction: Stage "A" MS64RD and Stage "B" AU-55 and MS63RD

[neal]

Charlie from Ervington Kentucky has found two they are MDS graded MS-65. He has one on EBAY I am not sure If these are in your count.
Neal

[mustbebob]

I will try to track down the info on them. Thanks for the heads-up.

[neal]

Does anyone know of a LDS Late Die State being found for this Variety? Thanks Neal

[mustbebob]

Neal,
So far, I have not seen any one of these coins past an early middle die state (EMDS). I still believe this may have been one of the last cents struck in 2006, and the dies may have been pulled before their full die life to make preparations for striking the 2007 cents. Of course, this is only conjecture on my part. Another possibility is that the die may have failed prematurely. Either way, today it still remains very elusive.
I still do not have any other reported coins since my last tally, and I was unable to verify if the coins offered on EBay were previously counted. It still remains at 29 total reported.