2005 P 5C ocean in view error or variety?

[Bnw174]

I’ve been looking through over 200 of these type coins the 2005P western water or ocean view and I found 18 that look like this all from the Philadelphia mint … I have more photos, but I think I can only upload four at a time, but if anyone can look at this and let me know, they are definitely unique to all the other ones

[MIMS.2Cents]

Just My 2 Cents,
imo looks loose collar, machine doubling , maybe some heat issues hopefully some voice of the masters will chime in,

[Bnw174]

Thanks I’m working on more and better pictures. Seeing them in person and then trying to relay that onto a photo is so hard lol. I’m trying to figure out if it’s an error or possibly a variety. It was referred to as “fire in the trees” JBcoins on YouTube. And as of now my coin experience and coin education is lacking to say the least …

[MintErrors]

An error would be unique.

A variety could be duplicated.

IF it is something the collectors might fancy, it might be considered a variety. Problem is, was it a single working die that had this issue, or was it more than one working die ? Each quarter working die strikes approximately 325,000 coins before being retired. This means there might be boat loads of them out there.

[Bnw174]

I have 12 examples from Philadelphia and one from the Denver mint … would it be worth sending to Mr wiles at variety vista? Maybe for a discovery?

[MintErrors]

That is all up to you. It's your coin(s), time and risk.

Discoveries are short lived and eventually get buried in the other listings. Personally, I don't get involved in that hype. I probably have a dozen or more of unreported varieties but, I simply don't care to send them in.

Although it contributes to the hobby, there is no guarantee that it was the first found. One would have to research all the grading companies which there are a few handfuls to see if any have been reported.

Then, a collector could easily have found it earlier. They might not want to send it in to get certified, since it could not be a worthy venture due to poor or a loss of return on investment.

You would have to convince a grading company to accept the coin as a variety/error and then, they'd have to recognize it as such. If they pass on listing the variety, they'd send it back without any mention of it. It's tough for them to put discovery coin on a label, since the possibility several others out there may have already stumbled upon it.

[Bnw174]

Awesome thank you again for your time and wisdom