JD Varieties Question

[MintErrors]

In my opinion, photos may not reveal enough to determine if it is a proof. It is a one view of the coin, which we cannot move. I like to tilt the coin at a weird angle and get a cartwheel effect started. Then I look very closely at the details of the stars, hair, and overall strike.

An MS coin would typically show:
A brushed look on the fields. MS Morgan dollars show this effect quite well for reference.
The details on the obverse may be lacking details on the top of the stars, as well as on the wheat leaves.
The denticles may appear mushy and not squared.
The hair on Lady Liberty may not show exceptional detail.
The proof coin should be free of bag marks, if properly cared for.

The proof coin
Under a flashlight, the reflective fields of a proof coin should almost be blinding. It may not resemble watery fields, but it should look highly reflective.

There should be noticeable difference in the strike, a lot more details on the coin, especially on stars, hair, wheat stalks and denticles. The coin should not have any strike weakness on the coin obverse or reverse.

I suggest search heritage auctions for a few 1883 proof nickels and comparing those to what you have in hand.

https://coins.ha.com/itm/proof-liber...umbnail-071515

I understand that this coin has been on at least one other forum. Have they been able to assist at all ?

Do you believe the coin to have a chance at having a variety ? If so, what is it? A repunched date ? If it has a variety, there is a huge spreadsheet available at
http://shieldnickels.net/

[occnumis2021]

i didn't read the whole thread but maybe the OP got the JD designation from this or something like it.

https://coinweek.com/united-states-p...book-released/

QDB and JD are quite numismatic scholars and (prolific authors?).

[No_Ragrets]

try searching for just paint. i'm pretty sure but not 100% positive the modern Win10/11 OS that have P3D still have MSP as well but you may have to dig to find it.

That was it! It's been hidden in my computer for the past 7 years and I had absolutely no idea it was there! And with that discovery, lo and behold, I now have the ability to reduce the size appropriately! Or at least I think I do... this is my "trial run" so hopefully these pictures come out ok. And the JD varieties was something I had noticed on PCGS and figured it was worth a shot to see if I can identify one. A fair amount of research later, I saw a book concerning this specific coin but would much rather avoid spending so much just to figure out one variety for one coin.
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[occnumis2021]

That was it! It's been hidden in my computer for the past 7 years

HA! sweet.

appreciate a few obvious victories now n then, helps let me know i'm not just going fully crazy. a lil is ok though.

glad it worked out and gotta love the simplicity and efficiency of paint. (and notepad)

i was initially pretty livid as i thought they nerfed paint from MS OS but then i dug. i THINK there are other progs that are still in there floating around, if one is so inclined to go a-huntin'.

another extremely useful and simple, imo, program is silverlight. it comes with (maybe some ad software so be careful) an addition to the basic image viewer, called Photo Gallery which has a nice selection of image editing options, once you get used to it. can do a LOT of images very quickly as it just scrolls through them whereas a photo editor takes selecting the images individually, usually.

i've used a couple programs (many years ago) that edit image dimensions/quality en-mass, literally like 100 at a time (for very busy photographers) but i don't recall the name of them and they for sure take some effort to learn but save HOURS of work.

oops, forgot to add the Photo Gallery image.

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[MintErrors]

Sweet good job on the photos. If I had to say if it was a proof or MS, I'd go with the MS side of the house. In my opinion, I think the hair curls below the ear give it away. I think it's a well struck MS example.

Doorbell ! Gotta go.

[No_Ragrets]

Sweet good job on the photos. If I had to say if it was a proof or MS, I'd go with the MS side of the house. In my opinion, I think the hair curls below the ear give it away. I think it's a well struck MS example.

Doorbell ! Gotta go.

I am still curious about those JD varieties. There's something happening with her nose that really stands out. And these fields are incredibly reflective. This is under my scope, so everything kind of gets muted. I'll post some pictures from my phone soon.

[No_Ragrets]

I'll see if these pictures go through. I was able to get the last glimpse of sunlight but it wasn't really ideal. Hopefully they convey the reflective properties of the coin in question. 20241126_142848.jpg 20241126_142911.jpg 20241126_142644.jpg 20241126_142608.jpg 20241126_142946.jpg 20241126_142728.jpg 20241126_142747.jpg 20241126_142922.jpg

[No_Ragrets]

In my opinion, photos may not reveal enough to determine if it is a proof. It is a one view of the coin, which we cannot move. I like to tilt the coin at a weird angle and get a cartwheel effect started. Then I look very closely at the details of the stars, hair, and overall strike.

An MS coin would typically show:
A brushed look on the fields. MS Morgan dollars show this effect quite well for reference.
The details on the obverse may be lacking details on the top of the stars, as well as on the wheat leaves.
The denticles may appear mushy and not squared.
The hair on Lady Liberty may not show exceptional detail.
The proof coin should be free of bag marks, if properly cared for.

The proof coin
Under a flashlight, the reflective fields of a proof coin should almost be blinding. It may not resemble watery fields, but it should look highly reflective.

There should be noticeable difference in the strike, a lot more details on the coin, especially on stars, hair, wheat stalks and denticles. The coin should not have any strike weakness on the coin obverse or reverse.

I suggest search heritage auctions for a few 1883 proof nickels and comparing those to what you have in hand.

https://coins.ha.com/itm/proof-liber...umbnail-071515

I understand that this coin has been on at least one other forum. Have they been able to assist at all ?

Do you believe the coin to have a chance at having a variety ? If so, what is it? A repunched date ? If it has a variety, there is a huge spreadsheet available at
http://shieldnickels.net/

This coin is a V nickel, so if you have one of those links for that particular coin, I'd love to sift through the information it has!

[occnumis2021]

I am still curious about those JD varieties. There's something happening with her nose that really stands out. And these fields are incredibly reflective. This is under my scope, so everything kind of gets muted. I'll post some pictures from my phone soon.

here is the PCGS attribution/designation pages. there are people that attribute officially NOT listed here though.

link 1 - 2007
link 2 - more recent (with fortin addition but been doing it for years now)

i kinda rememberd JD doing some gold, looks like $2.5 from the attribution list.

checking pop reports/coinfacts will also give what attribution designations they are using BUT you may not JUST be interested in what PCGS is doing. There are other fish in the sea but those pages are a great starting point.

[occnumis2021]

for taking images, you're so much better off having a designated spot in your home at a little table even with dedicated lights and books to hold your camera unless you wanna go full bore with a copy stand.

[No_Ragrets]

for taking images, you're so much better off having a designated spot in your home at a little table even with dedicated lights and books to hold your camera unless you wanna go full bore with a copy stand.

I've got a few different (very cheap) setups that I use for taking pictures. The most defined pictures will come from my scope, but I also have a self-lit photo box as well as the old shoebox setup. I recently discovered that the sunlight makes for great pictures, but the sun is out of my plane of view around here by something like 4:30-4:45 these days. I have a couple of old-school incandescent bulbs I might try to put into a specific lamp simply for taking pictures, but I'm still a bit off from that. I don't actually have any unused lamps laying around, so it looks like I'm stuck on that for the time being.

[Paddy54]

I wanted to share this with you.
https://www2.briansvarietycoins.com/listings/view/127

this is the listing for a 1942" type one" proof nickel that's is an ddr. Now remember that 1942 was the beginning of the war years.
also know that proof nickels were struck in the normal composition of copper nickel as well proofs in silver the war years composition of silver copper.
The link above is to an 1942 P ddr that was struck in the normal copper nickel proof blank. The reverse is a doubled die... and on the Obv. A huge die chip on Jefferson's collar tear drop shapped is the major marker or pick up point on the variety.

So No_Ragrets If that huge die chip is the pup on a proof 42 P copper nickel....Why is it on the obv. Silver proof I've pictured?
Well a re- marriage to another reverse produced this proof coin. I've pictured.... as again the mint reused ,repurposed .... a die well this 1942 P proof obv. Type one....to strike 1942 P type two proof silver nickels.

[Paddy54]

Not having this specimen in hand and going off of images. I say after my research that's it is a proof....the rims, the streaky dullness due to the rinse used to rince the blanks...as well the spotting which to my eye are duevto carbon spots leaching outof the alloy.
I believe that its a proof...they are plentiful in lower grade mostly do to the rinse used.

[MintErrors]

Here are a few photos I took of the proof Liberty / V nickel we have:

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[MintErrors]

I realize I posted a shield nickel website way above. My apologies.

There is a LIBERTY/V Nickel website as well.......

http://www.libertynickels.org/