What do you think? Jefferson DDR?

[foundinrolls]

http://www.foundinrolls.com/images/cu/states12.jpg

I did it as a link so I didn't have to shrink the picture. Thanks for looking! By the way, I waited until I had two of these to ask:-)

Bill O'

[diamond]

Looks like a doubled die to me. You've got a clear fissure separating primary and secondary images, a relatively rounded appearance for the less complete image, and split serifs. I'm sure James will eventually pop in to give his opinion.

[foundinrolls]

Thanks Mike,

There is also nice doubling visible on E PLURIBUS UNUM, and all of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. It is subtle, but less defined as you move toward the center of the coin. There is doubling visible on MONTICELLO as well but the notching and such is a little more difficult to spot.

I cant find this one in the CONECA files. Email me for the date and mint if you are curious.

Thanks,
Bill

[Speedy]

Interesting! It also looks like a DD. The T's and the S look really cool!

[foundinrolls]

Heres the MONTICELLO , again a link...http://www.foundinrolls.com/images/cu/monti1.jpg

Thanks Again,
Bill

[diamond]

I bet James will want to list it, if he agrees it's a doubled die.

[JamesWiles]

Bill:
I could not get the photos to come up. Sorry I missed this one.

[foundinrolls]

Must be a server issue (My server). I'll find out whats going on and get back to you. They dont come up for me either.....Thats not good:-)

[foundinrolls]

PROBLEM SOLVED....Pictures are back:-)

Bill

[JamesWiles]

Bill: Looks like abrasion doubling. STATES is doubled toward the center, but MONTICELLO is doubled toward the edge. I am not sure what is causing the splits in the serifs of STATES, but they don't appear to be consistent. We have seen this type of doubling and even stronger on some of the states quarters. Interesting piece. I would be happy to take a first hand look.

[diamond]

To my eyes it looks like the doubling is toward the south in all the design elements shown.

While it may not be a doubled die, I doubt it's abrasion doubling. The entire category of abrasion doubling -- both "inside abraded die doubling" and "outside abraded die doubling" -- is dubious in the extreme. Coins with obvious die abrasion lines never seem to show any doubling. Coins with alleged abrasion doubling seem never to show abrasion lines. Many cases of alleged abrasion doubling are clearly examples of die deterioration doubling. It seems to me that abrasion doubling started out as a conjecture which, over the years, morphed into an assumed fact, without any empirical evidence to support it.

[JamesWiles]

The secondary image I see on MONTICELLO is above the CE. Otherwise I don't see any doubling there. I am not going to argue with you over what to call it. It is false doubling and that is good enough.

[foundinrolls]

I am up against a deadline for my column. When I'm done, I'll try to pop off a few more pictures to see if that helps. The notches and separations are fairly good elsewhere on the coin as well.

I wont be trying to change any minds necessarily but I hope to add more detail to the overall picture for a better analysis of this coin.

Thanks,
Bill

[noel biscocho]

monticello

Dear Bill,

I've seen your picture of the Jefferson Nickel, I think I have a similar looking coins which exhibits doubling on the motto "S" of pluribus, doubling on FIVE CENTS & MONTICELLO, photo attached.

ifluribus.jpg

five cents.jpg

monticello.jpg

noel biscocho

[foundinrolls]

Noel,
Thanks for the pictures of your coin. What you see on yours is the result of it being struck by very worn dies. The lettering and the "orange peel effect that is visible in the fields of the coin makes it very apparent.

Nickel is a very hard metal and it is tough to strike. We see a lot of coins with the effects of being struck by worn dies. We sometimes call the effect that appears to be doubling, die deterioration doubling.

It does not have any added value.

Thanks,
Bill