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He got another one...NVTEs
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I want you all to sit down and theorize how this "double" ear was formed by the hubbing process. When you have come up with an answer, re-evalute all the douible ears that you have posted.
BJ NeffMember of: ANA, CCC, CONECA, Fly-in-club, FUN, NLG & T.E.V.E.C. -
The doubling could have happened during the hubbing of a blank "working" die
where a "first" slight hit (or contact with the "master" die) could occur if the blank die is improperly seated. Afterwhich it finally seats/aligns itself in the proper position where the final hubbing contact takes place. It is during the unnecessary "first" contact that the secondary images are hubbed in the working die. Which 2ndary image/location is dependent on the initial
improper position of the working die during the "first" contact.
NVTEsComment
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Originally posted by Novicetoerr View Post
Could happen in hubbings of both wokring die (will only affect coins minted with it) and master die (thus affecting all coins minted by all the affected working dies)...NVTEsComment
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Good, now explain to me how a primary hubbing image could have survived the second hubbing image? The ear happens to be one of the deeper recesses on any denominational working die.
That is why all doubled ear parts are away from primary ear and seen on higher parts of the working dies. The only exception to this is the 1997 DDO-001, which not only involves the ear, but the beard as well.
All your "double" ears are erronious.
BJ NeffMember of: ANA, CCC, CONECA, Fly-in-club, FUN, NLG & T.E.V.E.C.Comment
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Thanks BJ!
If it happened to the 1997 ear(+beard), and no mint process has been changed to correct or eliminate, it will always happen. And the possible doubling ear/lobe part can vary, but not significantly drift away from the area.
NVTEsComment
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Originally posted by wavysteps View Post
...Just to respond as to how the 1st hubbing image (supposed to become the the 2ndary image) survive the 2nd hubbing (supposed to be primary image);
First we would assume the blank die is not properly aligned, it would then be possible that partial or the whole ear can be hubbed 1st time. And when firmly seated for the 2nd hubbing, the 1st hubbed image (could be deeper) than the area where it is hubbed; and would then survive by being superimposed (or offset) itself on the 2nd hubbed image.
But then again, our response is not based on factual assessments.
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Why do you always refer to yourself as "we" or "our"?Lee LydstonComment
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BJ,
I don't want to give any credence to the original poster as he is seeing things trhat just don't matter. The dime he is showing shows evidence of die wear as the reason for the appearance of doubling....
But...there are many of the States Quarters that exhibit doubled ears that are in fact doubled dies. The guy up there explained what happened on the 1997 cent and it is the theory behind the doubled ear quarters, however, it does not apply to his dime or any of the cents he posted.
He is either pulling our chains or he is one of those guys that latches on to something and believes it no matter what the experts say.
Thanks,
BillComment
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Hi Bill,
I know of the existance of those state quarter and there are also some Lincoln cents with a doubled ear lobe, however, I am not aware iof any that are doubled on the inside of the ear. This is what novicetoerr has been claiming to see and not on just one coin either (LOL).
BJ NeffMember of: ANA, CCC, CONECA, Fly-in-club, FUN, NLG & T.E.V.E.C.Comment
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Hi BJ,Originally posted by wavysteps View Post
I knew you knew:-) I often answer for those who may not know. It's kinda like we have a conversation so that others can overhear:-)
Of course the cents and the quarters that you know about have the doubling around the lobe and it's not primarily to the inside of the ear.
In any case, the Original Poster has a thing for ears and none of the coins he's shown is even remotely a doubled die.
If we can help him understand the die making process, maybe he will be able to better evaluate his coins on his own.
Have Fun,
BillComment
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Hi Bill
Glad to see you here. Although you have probably been here a while and I just have not noticed. As far as your comment about helping them learn the steps in making a coin and what will produce a doubled die, doubled ear etc. That has been covered with them many many many times, and still they go back to seeing what is not there. I think Mike said it correctly on one of his posts to them, in that it may be time for them to take up a new hobby, as they just don't seem to get the point or wont get the point, not sure as to which it is.
Even after being told by the many experts who frequent this site that what they are posting is nothing at all, they still say they are sending the coin/s off to have them checked. I am just curious as to why they even bother to ask here if they are going to send them off anyway, and how many come back exactly as stated here, that they are nothing. But then again, I guess it is their money to waste on sending them off.
DaveComment
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Hi Dave,
Yeah, I've been in here since AUG 2007:-) Good to see you in here as well!
have Fun,
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