1944-S LWC DDO

[Ray Parkhurst]

Anyone recognize this DDO? Shows in the inner loop of the 9, and mostly on the vertical of the last 4.

Ray

[wavysteps]

This is mostly master die doubling, which is on every Lincoln cent that was produced.

BJ Neff

[Ray Parkhurst]

BJ,

None of the MDD are as dramatic as you can see in the last 4 of the date on this DDO. I've looked over every RPM and DDO I have from 1944-S and nothing compares with this one. Here is a detail of just the last 4 in the date, in case you did not see it clearly in the previous photo...Ray

This is mostly master die doubling, which is on every Lincoln cent that was produced.

BJ Neff

[wavysteps]

First let me correct my statement and say that master die doubling is found on every 1944 Lincoln cent.

To your coin. I can see the doubling that you are talking about and I do not believe that it is from hub doubling. A doubled die does not "skip over" a design element, in this case the first 4 digit, while affecting the digits to either side of that digit. Yes, there does appear to be doubling on the last 4 digit. However, this doubling is tilted which leads me to believe that it is machine doubling instead of a doubled die.

As it seem with all the San Francisco minted 1940 decade Lincoln cents, the master die was well worn when it made the working hubs and then the working dies for the date on your coin shows little of the master die doubling and appears thinner than normal. I took a picture of a EMDS 1944 P that shows the serifs that are so often missing on both 4 digits.

BJ Neff

[Ray Parkhurst]

This can't be machine doubling. In machine doubling, there is no spreading of the design element. The element that is "doubled" by machine doubling damage has the same original size, with the doubling causing a "shelf" or "stretch" that damages part of the element. In this case the element (last 4) is significantly wider, especially at the top. This could only happen from master hub doubling, working hub doubling, or from die polish doubling.

This is not an EDS coin, so die polish doubling is possible, and indeed shows up toward the North on the right side of the crossbar of the 4. But die polish doubling is almost always "gradual" and doesn't show the sharp and clear transition from design element to field that is clear on this coin.

There are two types of hub doubling that will "skip over" design elements: Class III and Class VII. But for each of these we would expect to see coins struck with each of the two design types represented by the doubled hubs, and I have not done enough research to see if there are any 1944 cents that show a slightly tilted final 4 in the date that could explain how this coin came to be.

Ray

First let me correct my statement and say that master die doubling is found on every 1944 Lincoln cent.

To your coin. I can see the doubling that you are talking about and I do not believe that it is from hub doubling. A doubled die does not "skip over" a design element, in this case the first 4 digit, while affecting the digits to either side of that digit. Yes, there does appear to be doubling on the last 4 digit. However, this doubling is tilted which leads me to believe that it is machine doubling instead of a doubled die.

As it seem with all the San Francisco minted 1940 decade Lincoln cents, the master die was well worn when it made the working hubs and then the working dies for the date on your coin shows little of the master die doubling and appears thinner than normal. I took a picture of a EMDS 1944 P that shows the serifs that are so often missing on both 4 digits.

BJ Neff