MOST UNUSAL CENT COIN

[Tim]

You remind me of a global warming denier. No amount of evidence will convince you that you have nothing more than a damaged cent. You will present endless counter-arguments that amount to nothing more than special pleading. I have no interest in responding to any further posts on this matter. -- Mike Diamond

What is the motto of CONECA… could it be “Knowledge Through Education”? So if someone disagrees with Diamond, he resorts to name calling (global warming denier) and then insults “you will present endless counter-arguments that amount to nothing more than special pleading”. To top the scale, Diamond basically dismisses the OP with “I have no interest in responding to any further posts on this matter. – Mike”

Talk about the “proverbial five year old”, “if I can’t have my way, I will take my toys and go home”. This really stands up for our club’s motto doesn’t it, “Knowledge Through Education”

[diamond]

Perhaps you did not read the entire thread, Tim. I patiently provided three observations which indicate rascal's cent is simply a case of post-strike damage. After that, I considered my obligation fulfilled. Further discussion would have been pointless. But feel free to absorb rascal's wisdom and respond with your own astute analysis.

[Tim]

Perhaps you did not read the entire thread, Tim. I patiently provided three observations which indicate rascal's cent is simply a case of post-strike damage. After that, I considered my obligation fulfilled. Further discussion would have been pointless. But feel free to absorb rascal's wisdom and respond with your own astute analysis.

Mr. Diamond,

No I did not read the entire thread. I opened the thread because it was on the “Die Variety Forum” thinking that it might be about a die variety and not a pre or post mint damage coin. I took exception to your dismissive tone in the post that I quoted.

I have since read the entire thread and noticed that at no point had anyone suggested to the OP that he might want to send the coin into one of CONECA’S experts for an in hand review of the coin. I hope the OP does not get discouraged from the negative comments; most people that post here try to be helpful.

But I do think it would be helpful if everyone would remember our club’s motto, “Knowledge Through Education” and not sarcasm.

Sincerely,
Tim

[wavysteps]

There is a remote possibility that this could be a struck through a late stage die cap. However, it is hard to tell from the pictures just what you have. I suggest an in hand examination by an error specialist to determine just what happen to this coin.

BJ Neff

I do not think that you have read all the threads to this post. Clearly I stated that it should have an in hand examination.

BJ Neff

[Tim]

I do not think that you have read all the threads to this post. Clearly I stated that it should have an in hand examination.

BJ Neff

Mr. Neff,

I stand corrected; I did not see the last sentence of your post. But it still does not excuse the sarcastic comments made by one of our elected officials.

One of the things I’ve read recently in the ErrorScope is trying to find out why members are leaving our organization quicker then our ability to sign up new members. Maybe management need not look any further then their own actions as to the cause of this. I do not know who “rascal” is other then he signing the name Troy at the end of his post. But I am quite confidant if he was a member of CONECA, he will now let his dues lapse or if he wasn’t a member then you don’t have to worry about him joining in the future.

Great job!

Sincerely,
Tim

[wavysteps]

One thing that you should realize; without Mike Diamond, this site would never have been started. Throughout the years we have battled pornography, irrelevant post, repetitive post and people who just do not want to believe that their coin is not what they think it is. During this time, Mike and myself have provided 3000 answers to people with questions and I do hope that the vast majority of those answers are correct.

As for the lose of membership in CONECA, that is a problem. However, to blame it on one person is being a bit petulant without knowing all the factors concerned.

Since this is an open forum, you have the right to say what is on your mind. The site was developed for that purpose. However, it is also my right to say that I total disagree with your assessment of what you think is correct.

BJ Neff

[Tim]

One thing that you should realize; without Mike Diamond, this site would never have been started. Throughout the years we have battled pornography, irrelevant post, repetitive post and people who just do not want to believe that their coin is not what they think it is. During this time, Mike and myself have provided 3000 answers to people with questions and I do hope that the vast majority of those answers are correct.

As for the lose of membership in CONECA, that is a problem. However, to blame it on one person is being a bit petulant without knowing all the factors concerned.

Since this is an open forum, you have the right to say what is on your mind. The site was developed for that purpose. However, it is also my right to say that I total disagree with your assessment of what you think is correct.

BJ Neff

Mr. Neff,

I did not say that the lose of membership was the blame of just one person; I did say that sarcastic responses from our elected officials are probably a contributing factor. As a former Elected Official yourself, I’m surprised that you condone such sarcastic comments and try to make accuses for them.

As far as you and Mr. Diamond providing 3000 answers to people’s questions, that is a bit of an erroneous statement. You have a total of 1449 post counts and Mr. Diamond has 1510. I have not bothered to check each post that you and Mr. Diamond has made but I would be willing to wager that not all of the 2959 comments that the two of you have made on these boards were answers to questions. The numbers of post counts do not impress me; I look for substance not quantity.

Sincerely,
Tim

[wavysteps]

Then I sincerely wish that you would look else where.

BJ Neff

[atrox001]

BJ...I think quite a few members will be looking else where.

Larry Nienaber

[Tim]

Then I sincerely wish that you would look else where.

BJ Neff

Mr. Neff,

Look else where for what? Is this in response to my last post? If so, I was hoping for an explanation to the erroneous / misleading statement that you had previous made about your post counts and if you really did condone sarcastic comments from our elected officials.

If you have something to say, then say it. If it is an erroneous or false statement then be prepared to being called on the carpet for it.

If your statement implies that you wish I would quit my membership, sorry that is not my style. To just quit and walk away because things are not going my way would solve nothing, by the way, how did it work out for you a year or so ago?

Sincerely,
Tim

[wavysteps]

Mr. Neff,

Look else where for what? Is this in response to my last post? If so, I was hoping for an explanation to the erroneous / misleading statement that you had previous made about your post counts and if you really did condone sarcastic comments from our elected officials.

If you have something to say, then say it. If it is an erroneous or false statement then be prepared to being called on the carpet for it.

If your statement implies that you wish I would quit my membership, sorry that is not my style. To just quit and walk away because things are not going my way would solve nothing, by the way, how did it work out for you a year or so ago?

Sincerely,
Tim

It has gotten to a point where your responses are meaningless. I am detached from the CONECA board, so any connection that you imply to such is incorrect. What erroneous statements have I made? What false statements have I made? In other words, your comments are unwelcome and if you want to press this issue farther, I am very capable of replying to anything that is thrown at me. Believe me when I say that I have run across your belligerent type before and have the capabilities to handle such.

As for my resignation from the CONECA board a year ago, I will leave you guessing. I am not the one to play politics, nor do I play games either. A twenty year military career has taught more than you can ever imagine.

If you have issues with me, them bring them on. I am ready. If not, them I suggest that you end this malicious thread and do not waste your time or mine with your rantings.

BJ Neff

[wavysteps]

Larry - If members of CONECA want to give up their membership, there is very little that I can do about that situation.

My main purpose in numismatics is education and it is to that goal that I strive for. I am not a dealer, I am not a paid writer (except for FUNtopics) and the sites that I have are free. So what more can a person do for this hobby?

BJ Neff

[Tim]

It has gotten to a point where your responses are meaningless. I am detached from the CONECA board, so any connection that you imply to such is incorrect. What erroneous statements have I made? What false statements have I made? In other words, your comments are unwelcome and if you want to press this issue farther, I am very capable of replying to anything that is thrown at me. Believe me when I say that I have run across your belligerent type before and have the capabilities to handle such.

As for my resignation from the CONECA board a year ago, I will leave you guessing. I am not the one to play politics, nor do I play games either. A twenty year military career has taught more than you can ever imagine.

If you have issues with me, them bring them on. I am ready. If not, them I suggest that you end this malicious thread and do not waste your time or mine with your rantings.

BJ Neff

Mr. Neff,

Belligerent, talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Everyone has their own careers, I have spent over 25 years sparing with defense attorneys putting there clients in jail or prison, I doubt there is anything that you have seen or done that would surprise me. I have dealt with arrogant and pity people before. I have also dealt with people that are not big enough to admit when they are wrong.

There is nothing to guess, the reason you quit CONECA last year is well known, no since in trying to make it sound something mystic.

You ask, “What false statements have I made?” You didn’t just imply, you stated that you and Mr. Diamond have provided 3000 answers to people with questions referring to these message boards. I used the word erroneous but if you want to use false then who am I to argue. Just so there is no misunderstanding to what you said, I will quote you:

One thing that you should realize; without Mike Diamond, this site would never have been started. Throughout the years we have battled pornography, irrelevant post, repetitive post and people who just do not want to believe that their coin is not what they think it is. During this time, Mike and myself have provided 3000 answers to people with questions and I do hope that the vast majority of those answers are correct.

In truth, you and Mr. Diamond had a combined total post count of 2959. Each time you started, responded or replied to a thread, your post count increased by one. Are you trying to tell us that when ever you or Mr. Diamond posted, you were only answering a question? I doubt this, but maybe it makes your ego feel better. But since you only respond to answer questions, my question here is why did you feel the need to exaggerate the number of times you answered people’s questions? Do you think it makes you look more important?

I did not start this dialog with you; you are the one that jumped in trying to defend your buddy whose conduct was and is inexcusable.

Considering you will not answer any questions that I’ve asked before or now in this thread, any response you will give is, to use your word, “meaningless.”

Sincerely,
Tim

[Tim]

Mr. Neff,

Just so the record is correct, another erroneous statement of your’s in just this one thread is

I am detached from the CONECA board, so any connection that you imply to such is incorrect.

I never said or implied that you had a current connection to the elected officials of CONECA. I referred to you as a former elected official of CONECA. If you would like me to give you a definition of what the word former means, I could provide it for you if needed. You do not have to be a current official of CONECA or even a member of our group to be appalled and outraged by the remarks given in this thread. Dismissing an individual by calling him a “global warming denier” would be no different then me calling the author of such comment a “Crybaby Al Gore Clone”; both would be uncalled for.

Just so there is no misunderstanding to what I said, I will quote it for you. If there are any words you need help with definitions, please feel free to ask.

As a former Elected Official yourself, I’m surprised that you condone such sarcastic comments and try to make accuses for them.

Respectfully,
Tim