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    1909 S VDB

    I am not as up to date on Varieties as I should be so I will just ask. Is there a known Broken O in God on the 1909 S VDB Lincoln Cent. If there is one then I have number 2, If not then I will have to check with ANACS for certification of a new die variety.
    Robert Wilharm
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    Robert,

    Are you sure your coin is genuine? It has that granular surface that many of the counterfeits coming out of China have.

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    • #3
      1909 S VDB

      This coin has a lot of problems. What i see is Double Struck on rusted dies.
      I will send it in to ANACS this week end

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      • #4
        1909 S VDB

        For this coin to be ligit a sinario like this would have to happen.
        Ligatimate Dies would probably have been struck for the 1909 VDB cent and probably retired due to wear and or a broken O in God. In the discard box they rusted up. Then either offically or unofically the dies were recovered the area under the date was cleaned and an S mintmark was applied. At least one coin was double struck with these dies which I have. If I am correct there should be 1909 VDB coins out there with no S but with a broken O in God. This is the only way I can see it happening unless the dies were spirited out of the mint. Thinking more about it I guess the deed would have happened at the Philly mint so I am probably out of luck with my new find.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Robert Wilharm View Post
          For this coin to be ligit a sinario like this would have to happen.
          Ligatimate Dies would probably have been struck for the 1909 VDB cent and probably retired due to wear and or a broken O in God.
          It would appear the broken 'O' was on the hub rather than the die (assuming it is a genuine coin).

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          • #6
            Any updates on this thread? Have you gotten the coin from ANACS yet?

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            • #7
              Sorry, but looks fake to me.

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              • #8
                The 1909 S VDB coins are one of the most commonly faked coins , some of the fakes will almost fool anyone.

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                • #9
                  1909 S VDB update

                  I sent in 3 1909 S VDB Lincolns to ANACS. They should be back at the end of the month. I will let you know then how I did.
                  Robert













                  s VDB

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                  • #10
                    WOW

                    "I sent in 3 1909 S VDB Lincolns to ANACS. They should be back at the end of the month. I will let you know then how I did.
                    Robert"

                    Where did you get 3 09 S VDBs?!?!!?!?!?!?!













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                    • #11
                      Hello:

                      My two cents worth. It looks to me that the only way for this "break" in the "O" of God would be for the die to have had debris in the groove of the "O". Remember that the die would have an indentation of the "O" on the surface to shape to "O". IN order to disrupt the recess of the "O" would be to have debris fill up the indentation at the point where your coin shows a break in the "O". Therefore it could be a "one of" or "several of" until the debris is removed.

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                      • #12
                        It really looks like a counterfeit. The letters are not as clean and crisp as they should be on a '09 S VDB cent, or any 1909 Lincoln, for that matter.

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                        • #13
                          I also believe it to a counterfeit. The break in the O would almost have to be hub related, which would mean that may more should be out there. As for debris in the recess of the O on the working die causing the missing arc in the O, it seems to sharply defined for a partially clogged die.

                          I just finished an entry for the 1909 Lincoln cent on error-ref.com. For those interested, here it is

                          http://error-ref.com/1909_Lincoln_ce...ut_V_D_B_.html

                          BJ Neff
                          Member of: ANA, CCC, CONECA, Fly-in-club, FUN, NLG & T.E.V.E.C.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by foundinrolls View Post
                            It really looks like a counterfeit. The letters are not as clean and crisp as they should be on a '09 S VDB cent, or any 1909 Lincoln, for that matter.
                            I just did a little research by going back through some of the archives on some other coin related forums. The Broken "O" of GOD is a diagnostic of one of the many fakes out there. The S (mint mark) also has very pronounced and phony looking serifs. The S has a very unusual shape as well.

                            The coin is indeed a forgery and actually a fairly obvious one at that now that the diagnostics are known.



                            Thanks,
                            Bill
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                            Last edited by foundinrolls; 10-26-2012, 07:17 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Bill - Please PM me. I would like to use your photos concerning the diagnostics of that counterfeit 1909-S VDB on error-ref.com

                              Thanks Bill.

                              BJ Neff
                              Member of: ANA, CCC, CONECA, Fly-in-club, FUN, NLG & T.E.V.E.C.

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