a suprise xmas find

[3¢nicker]

well this story begins by me going to my dad's house for the holidays and my one of my gifts was to clean out a closet where they had been storing my things for a couple of years. i found a change box about a square foot in size with about two inches of change in there. and this is one of my finds so far
1968-D ddr i'm so happy
please excuse the specks it's the 2x2
jimmy

[wavysteps]

Jimmy - I am not to sure if you are aware that this may be a new discovery. I checked CONECA files and Coppercoin's files and neither have this die. From the looks of it, it appears fairly strong. Please bring this one also to the meeting.

I am going to "borrow" your pictures and forward then to John Wexler to see if he recognizes the die, if that is alright with you?

Thanks,
BJ

[3¢nicker]

oh goodness i have the completely wrong date it's 1968-d. that's what happens when i do these things at 3am sorry

[wavysteps]

Jimmy - That is a well known die and a nice on at that. CONECA, Coppercoijns, Crawford and Wexler all have it listed as there # 1 die.

BJ Neff

[russellhome]

That one looks a lot like (old) FS#: 1c-027.4. Even if it is not a new discovery - that is a great and hard-to-find DDR. Here are some photos of one I have...



I have two examples of this 1968 D 1c DDR - one I found and one I bought (for $300+). The one I found had counting machine damage, so I decided to buy a better one. Upon getting the 2nd, I learned that the two coins I had did not have the same obverse die. The DDR was the same, but the mint mark was in a different place and the obverse markers did not match published markers for the variety. If you look this up on CONECA master listings page, you will see that the various stages of this DDR involve a replacement of the obverse die, a die clash, and some heavy polishing to remove the die clash.


LEFT: Obverse die 1, RIGHT: Obverse Die 2


Overlay showing the different mint mark placement of the two obverse dies.

The one used in Coppercoins.com photos is the first die - the earlier stages. If your coin has the markers shown (die scratch near TRUST of IGWT and die crack in forehead), then you have an earlier stage. If you see a strong clash remnant in the bay between columns 8 and 9, then you have a later stage. If you don't see any of these markers, then you may have a different stage or perhaps a completely new variety.

From what I know, this DDR is rare in any stage (less than 100 known) - but of these, I only know of a few that have the 2nd obverse die.

FYI: Billy Crawford did a report on several stages of this 1968 D 1c DDR. It was in his Sept/Oct 2006 issue of Die Variety News (DVN issue #3) in the Variety Spotlight section.

That is one Great find - the kind of find that keeps us all searching! Congratulations.

[3¢nicker]

this one does have the die scratches on the obverse but i do not see the crack so i believe it is the first die. further it does have the matching doubled initials but not the die clash or polishing. i'll probably have it better inspected but i think it is an MDS

[JamesWiles]

Congratulations! This indeed is a tough find.

[3¢nicker]

i got it back from anacs at au 55 and it is indeed the fs 27.4 or fs 801 die #1. i have been having trouble finding out how rare it is and the value, do any of you have an idea? not bad for taking this out of circulation in 2001 before i knew anything about coins

[wavysteps]

Jimmy - Coppercoins has this listed as around $100.00 in that condition. Crawford had it priced at $115.00. That should give you a ballpark figure to work with.

BJ Neff