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  • #1

    Is this German Coin a DDO?

    I know it is hard to be sure from a photo, but I saw this on eBay and thought it might be a fairly nice doubled die. So what do you think? Doubled die or something else (MD, DDD, etc)? The points of interest are...

    1) "Lincoln" like double eyelid and brow
    2) Doubling under nose
    3) Doubling in front of mustache and in the lower part of the mustache
    4) Possible doubling in the date 1934, ear, Hindenburg and a few other places.



    Here is a normal coin of the same type for comparison...



    If it is a DD, I'd consider buying it if it were not for that nasty scratch.
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    I would say "yes", it is a doubled die from the points that you mentioned. That is a nasty scratch.

    BJ Neff
    Member of: ANA, CCC, CONECA, Fly-in-club, FUN, NLG & T.E.V.E.C.

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    • #3
      Normally, these NAZI era 2 Reichsmark coins sell dirt cheap in circulated or damaged condition. But this one happenen to be a 1936 D 2RM - a key date/mint in the series. The seller was asking too much - but when I contacted him to verify that it was in fact a scratch, he lowered the price and I snatched it up. I still probably paid too much. Foreign coin DDs don't appear to have much of a market. But I just had to see this one in hand. I'll do some photos with proper lighting and add them to this post when it gets here.

      I've actually bought a few nice foreign coin DDs in recent days. If doubling like this one were on a US coin, it would be worth a small fortune. I've never been all that interested in foreign coins -- but mix in a nice doubled die at a cheap price, then I can't seem to pass them up.

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      • #4
        Ken - you are correct about foreign doubled dies not bring much, however, they do make a nice collection. Lately, I have seen a tendency to go for foreign errors, so who knows what future trends will be. Maybe foreign doubled dies will become more popular.

        And speaking of that, I am doing an article for CONECA (don't know where it is going yet) on a dramatic 2004 Bahamas one cent piece. Here is a little preview of it.



        I still have to find out all the particulars one this doubled die.

        BJ Neff
        Member of: ANA, CCC, CONECA, Fly-in-club, FUN, NLG & T.E.V.E.C.

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        • #5
          Happy New Year BJ,
          AWESOME looking 2004 Bahamas doubled die? Where in the world did you find that?? You have an extra for sale or trade?? . If that was from the British Mint, that would be pretty unusual for them?
          Regards
          Harold

          World Doubled Dies Page
          http://www.geocities.com/kqnt/index4.htm

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          • #6
            Thanks Harold and a Happy New Year to you also.

            As far as the Bahamas double die, it belongs to Robert Jankosky, who I met at the recent FUN show.

            From what I have heard, this coin was minted at either the Royal British Mint or the Franklin Mint; this information is from The Royal Canadian Mint. I tend to believe that the Royal British Mint is the culprit for this doubled die.

            What I can do is forward you my pictures, if you want and if you can use them, of this 2004 Bahamas cent.

            BJ
            Member of: ANA, CCC, CONECA, Fly-in-club, FUN, NLG & T.E.V.E.C.

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            • #7
              Boy BJ, I like that 2004 Bahamas one cent! Thanks for posting the photo. I'll have to keep an eye on the internet for that one. And given the tool of the internet and the way information can spread worldwide very quickly, I imagine there is potential for foreign doubled dies to take off some time in the near future. I guess we better get them while they are cheap!

              Besides being inexpensive - even for significant doubled dies - one other advantage to having a few of these in your collection is that you can show outsiders what the DV collecting hobby is all about. You and I may get excited about notches in a few letters or an extra branch on a tree -- but when you try to explain this to most folks not in the hobby -- they pretty much just think you are crazy. But show them one of these dramatic doubled dies, and I think the reaction would be a little different. I'd like to show them a 1955 1c DDO, but until I can afford one, a good foreign DD will work as a good substitute.

              BTW - Here are a few Brazil DDs I recently purchased. I don't have them in hand yet, so these are not my photos. I'll try and do better ones when they get here.


              Brasil 10 Centavos (Like the one KP recently reported)


              Brasil 1949 2 Cruzeiros


              Brasil 2000 10 Centavos


              Brasil 2001 25 Centavos

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              • #8
                That would be great if you could send me some PICS so I can use them on the page. I will give full credit. Jeff Ylitalo found a 2004 doubled die reverse GB 1 Pound, a very strong one indeed! He let me use the PICS he took for my webpage. I wonder if someone at mint decided to goof-off on a few dies that year?
                Thanks Again BJ

                Harold

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                • #9
                  Ken - You are right about these foreign doubled dies. We as variety collectors have been accused of looking at "fly specks" and taking into consideration some of the United States minted doubled dies, that may be the correct assumption.

                  Double dies, such as Jeff's 1 pound "Forth Rail Bridge", your 10 centavos Brazil and Robert's 1 cent Bahamas are great teaching tools and excellent examples of what doubled dies look like. Explaining how such occurs is also a lot easier with these great examples.

                  Maybe, when things become settled, we can open a section on this forum for foreign errors and varieties, sort of separate them from the U.S.A. stuff and see what kind of interest develops.

                  Harold - I'll be glad to send you a set of pictures on this Bahamas 1 cent. Just PM me your e-mail and I'll send them via PhotoBucket. I just received the "plain" Bahamas 1 cent (without doubled die) for comparison for I was unsure of the amount of doubling in the star fish. Come to find out that there is a lot.

                  BJ Neff
                  Member of: ANA, CCC, CONECA, Fly-in-club, FUN, NLG & T.E.V.E.C.

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                  • #10
                    The coin got here today. It is - in fact - a nice bold doubled die. The double eyelid and profile doubling is naked eye visible. The upper lettering is also doubled, but not quite visible to the naked eye.














                    I also bought this one - a German 1938 D 5 Mark (half dollar size) that is also a nice DDO. The doubling is similar (eyelid, forhead, nose, etc) - but the doubling on the letters is more pronounced. It is a tripple or perhaps quad doubled die.



                    I probably search a couple of hundred similar listings on eBay to find these. There were a few others that I thought might be DDs - but either the photos were not detailed enough or the seller was using 'stock' photos. So these were not being cranked out left and right -- but they obviously can be found. And they are bold enough to cherry pick from seller photos if taken with enough detail.

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                    • #11
                      Very nice doubled die Ken. Way to go on cherry pick-en these guys.

                      BJ Neff
                      Member of: ANA, CCC, CONECA, Fly-in-club, FUN, NLG & T.E.V.E.C.

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                      • #12
                        That is a Nice coin! Also, some nice doubled dies in this thread!

                        Have Fun,
                        Bill

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                        • #13
                          My Doubled Die coins from Brasil arrived today. Here are some of my own photos of them...












                          All I can say is WOW! No fly specks here. For all I know, these may be common in Brasil. What ever the case, I like them and to me they are well worth the average price of $12 each.

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                          • #14
                            Ken - Some very nice doubled dies and I believe well worth the price average.

                            BJ Neff
                            Member of: ANA, CCC, CONECA, Fly-in-club, FUN, NLG & T.E.V.E.C.

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