1969 D Washington Quarter- Proof Reverse on a Business Strike in Mint State

[chuckster 125]

Pulled from a BWR of quarters yesterday.

1969 D in Mint State - Type H Proof Reverse on a Business Strike Quarter

[chuckster 125]

Got the coin back from ANACS Today:

Graded out at Mint State 64

[koinpro]

This is not a "Proof Reverse." It is a "Proof-Style" Rev unless one can actually prove it was used to strike proof coins earlier.

[chuckster 125]

This is not a "Proof Reverse." It is a "Proof-Style" Rev unless one can actually prove it was used to strike proof coins earlier.

Hi Ken:

*The 1968 S- RDV 008 is earlier than the 1969D* Does this count as an earlier usage?

The Type-B Reverse is a business strike coin that has been struck using a retired reverse proof die.

Are the 1956 to 1963 Type B's Proof Reverses or Proof Style?

Supposedly the US Mint ran out of dies and used retired proof dies for the Type B.

The only difference between the Type B & Type H are the lower tail feathers on the Eagle are more defined on the RDV-008.

How were the Type H Reverses made, if not by proof dies?

They are identical to the Proof Reverses for those years (69D,70D,71D and 72d)
Where am I going wrong?

Thanks for any additional help/ info on this.
Chuck.

[koinpro]

Chuck,

I'm not entirely convinced these are retired proof dies. The configuration of a proof die is different than a business strike die and they would have had to lathe them down to fit. Possible they did but unless it can be proven I prefer the term "proof style" or to say proof style or possibly retired and reprocessed dies -- something along those lines. The term proof die really got overused for things like the Wide AM 1998-2000 cents which were clearly never used to strike proof coins. Just my opinion.

[chuckster 125]

Chuck,

I'm not entirely convinced these are retired proof dies. The configuration of a proof die is different than a business strike die and they would have had to lathe them down to fit. Possible they did but unless it can be proven I prefer the term "proof style" or to say proof style or possibly retired and reprocessed dies -- something along those lines. The term proof die really got overused for things like the Wide AM 1998-2000 cents which were clearly never used to strike proof coins. Just my opinion.

Just so I'm clear on all of these, the Silver Type B and the Clad Type H quarters plus the 98,99,00 Wide AM cents are all considered to be struck in the " Proof Style." ?

* OK I got it!- I just read Mr. Wexler's explanation on these and it makes sense now- more than likely the U.S Mint's attempt to save money and use proof dies that were no longer acceptable for proof coinage but ok to continue to use for business strike coins. ( Proof style Reverses)

Thanks again,

Chuck.

[koinpro]

I think more research "might" prove some of the early pieces from the 60s could be from reprossed proof dies (lathed down and chromium plating stripped off and repolished) but not so sure the coins themselves suggest this. I'd have to see some of the coins in hand. On the 1998-2000 Wide AM there is no doubt these were proof style processed as BS dies in error.