1965 Kennedy Half Dollar DDR FS-802?

[cmgknight]

Hello,

I have this 1965 Kennedy Half which I am pretty confident is a match for WDDR-001 on Wexler's Die Varieties (https://doubleddie.com/1607177.html). However, I'm attempting to determine if this is the same DDR variety listed as DDR-004 on Variety Vista (http://varietyvista.com/12%20Kennedy...965PDDR004.htm), since that one is noted to be FS-802 (which PCGS recognizes for attribution.)

The extensive doubling of the stars matches up, although there are other 1965 DDRs with doubled stars. The main reason I believe they are the same variety is the small, circular die gouge just south-east of the star below the letter A in "States". Wexler notes this specifically as a pick-up point, while Variety Vista does not mention it at all, but at the very bottom of the picture labeled "AT of STATES", it looks to me that the same die gouge is present, nestled up next to the aforementioned star.

Thanks in advance for anyone's assistance.

Attaching a couple pictures of the coin in question:

1965 50C DDR.jpg s-l1600.jpg
s-l1600 (2).jpg s-l1600 (1).jpg

[MintErrors]

It looks like John Wexler`s example.
Good find !

[cmgknight]

It looks like John Wexler`s example.
Good find !

Thanks!

Any thoughts on if Wexler's WDDR-1 is the same as Variety Vista's DDR-004 and FS-802?

[MintErrors]

John W. Is usually good at recognizing other organizational numbering system. It looks he did not reference it, so I would say probably not.

Unless the variety vista photos are clear enough and are a match, I would not assume anything.

CONECA master listings are not available yet, so it is difficult to pin down the die marriages, rarity and decent write-ups of each ddo or ddr.

All I will add to variety Vista is, that Mr. WilMr.photos are tolerable in most cases, but could have they have been better? Probably...

In my opinion, for photos in general, it's all about the lighting and angles.

[cmgknight]

I agree, the Variety Vista photos are, to me, suggestive that they could be the same variety, but fall short of definitive.

Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of the Cherrypicker's Guide to compare to FS-802 directly. I'll have to ask at my LCS to see if they have a copy I can take a look at.

Anyways, thanks again for your thoughts.

[atrox001]

There are four 65 BS DDRs listed in the CONECA Master Listings…DDR-002, DDR-004, DDR-007, and DDR-008. Yours is the CONECA 65 BS DDR-004, WDDR-001 and the CP FS-802. I have Stages A-C to verify this die from my collection. Using Wexler’s markers; Reverse: A short die gouge protrudes from the lower right side of the star below the left side of the A in STATES. A die gouge can be found to the right of the lower first L in DOLLAR. I do not see these markers on my Stage A, you can see them in James Wiles Stage B photos on VV. A good marker that is on all the Stages A-C on the DDR-004 in my collection would be the die scratch running South-West from the star between the AR to the A in DOLLAR, also on VV, see attached photo of my Stage A.

65 DDR-004 marker.JPG

[cmgknight]

Thanks atrox001, that's what I was hoping.

A short die gouge protrudes from the lower right side of the star below the left side of the A in STATES. A die gouge can be found to the right of the lower first L in DOLLAR.

Yes, my coin also has the die gouge by the L in DOLLAR, in addition to the gouge by the star. That was another marker that I could not confidently identify from the pictures of DDR-004 on Variety Vista.

Also, I had completely missed the die scratch match between WDDR-001 and DDR-004, which is also present on my coin.

Thanks again!