1964 PR Kennedy ODV-002 (Normal Hair)

[Tim]

Is this all Master Die:







[/URL]







Tripling in hair behind ear.

[atrox001]

Tim, I believe all the doubling (3) you show on this half matches the 64PR DDO-009 in my collection, even the light triple spread on the hair above the ear you show, but it is the RDV-001, not the RDV-002. I believe what has happened with this DDO-009 is there was a Reverse Die Change replacing the RDV-001 with the RDV-002. In April 2008 I had sent what I thought was the case of the die change to James Wiles and his comment was, "DDO is too minor to list". Maybe it is time to review this as a reverse die changed.

[Tim]

Tim, I believe all the doubling (3) you show on this half matches the 64PR DDO-009 in my collection, even the light triple spread on the hair above the ear you show, but it is the RDV-001, not the RDV-002. I believe what has happened with this DDO-009 is there was a Reverse Die Change replacing the RDV-001 with the RDV-002. In April 2008 I had sent what I thought was the case of the die change to James Wiles and his comment was, "DDO is too minor to list". Maybe it is time to review this as a reverse die changed.

Larry,

Thank you for your reply.

I sent my copy of this variety to James Wiles back on 03/02/2015 and got the dreaded “Too minor to List”, it is also paired with the RDV-001. This is one of the coins that every time I look at it, I scratch what little hair I have trying to understand why. (LOL)

Tim

[MintErrors]

Question is... could this be listable with CONECA? It shows separation and it is a TDO.... one would think on the CONECA side, it would be?? I have seen Lincoln cents with less separation listed....

[Tim]

@atrox001 Larry,

Here is a photo of the coin in the OP, is this the die scratch you were referring:
http://

This photo is from another example of this variety that James Wiles also said was "Too minor to list." The scratch is a little lighter but there.
http://

This photo is from an example that James Wiles confirmed as the DDO-009 stage B on 08/19/2009:
http://

[Tim]

Another angle of the DDO-009 Stage B that James Wiles confirmed:
http://

[Tim]

Spoke with Atrox001 (Larry N.) tonight, and he confirmed that the coin in the OP (Original Post) is not the 1964 DDO-009 or any other that is currently listed in the CONECA files. A marker for the coin in the OP is a die scratch below the hair line in the neck on stage B as seen in a previous photo and the next photo that Atrox001 took:
http://

The 1964-DDO-009 stage B has the following markers as photographed by Atrox001, two vertical die gouges next to the rim and another die gouge to the left of the 4 in the field.:
http://

[Tim]

Question is... could this be listable with CONECA? It shows separation and it is a TDO.... one would think on the CONECA side, it would be?? I have seen Lincoln cents with less separation listed....

I agree and also think it should be listed. I keep it in a box with other coins that have made the trip to James Wiles and came back with either "Borderline" or "Too minor to list" in the notes. Every so often, I give them the once over and try to figure out why they didn't make a listing . . .

I do understand that a line must be drawn on what makes a coin listable in the club's files and what doesn't, I'm still trying to comprehend where that line is. . .