1943 Lincoln Penny Die Cracks and DDO/DDR?

[jphuff]

Let's begin with the most important thing to know about this post. The giant finger print on the coin is not mine. LOL.

I know the 1943 Penny was a year rife with errors and this coin is a testament to that.

Die cracks for days on the front and back, its looks like there may be 1-3 extra eyelid impressions, doubling on the date (I see some similarities in the date to Variety Vista's 1943 DDO-013, 13-O-IV+VIII and the tail of the 9 in 1943 DDO-005, 5-O-V-CCW - but there are definite differences and the die markings don't match), and it looks like there may be some notching on several of the letters in USA on the reverse.

I value any feedback and observations you may have.

[MintErrors]

Die cracks are pretty common with most Lincolns from the teens into the 70s.
One thing to remember is, Doubled dies are exactly what it is. Working dies, made of steel are the culprits when it comes down to doubled dies. The multiple impressions were on a workingvdie, and those impressions dont move. So, that is why people need to pay attention to what the attributors are showing in photographic examples because that is what is visible on that particular working die that struck the coin.

The dies cracks are not worth much unless there is a lot of drama that goes along with it. Even the heavy bettors at a major au tion house tend to stay away from them, since they are so common compared to other varieties and errors. A real dramatic example of die cracks might buy you a breakfast and lunch, if it was nice, in mint state condition, with a buyer really wanting that type of thing.

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In my opinion, I don't see enough to consider this coin to be a doubled die. I will take a closer look after I post this reply. Maybe my tablet can magnify the potential ddo areas and make it easier to see.

[MintErrors]

The 43 year had a ton of problems. I think I remember reading an article which told a story how the Lincoln dies were some what ok and designed for copper cents.... and then here came the 1943 steelies, the working dies apparently did not do as well as expected.

IF you think you have something you would like a CONECA staff member to look at, here is what i recommend.
Go to the forum main page.
Find the CONECA SERVICES area.
Under that, there is an ATTRIBUTIONS area.

Under the attributions area, place a post abo7ut your coin.

I suggest you give them as much Info and as many really good focused photos as you can. The initial post is the most important. A CONECA attributer will look over the info and may give you an answer. Or tell you to send it in for them to look over. The attribution fee is pretty low, if they decide to ask you to send it.

I am a person with an opinion, so take that with a grain of salt. I should be able to give your photos a second look tomorrow, Friday.

I did look the reverse real quick and some of the mentioned areas might have been plating or planchet issues vice looking like a doubled die. Again, it's simply my opinion and I am human and occasionally make mistakes.

As dies begin to shatter, I am sure they aren't as stable in the mint presses. So, things happen, the dies are loose and not as sharp anymore. The Lincoln dies when striking copper cents might have struck close to 600,000 coins before retiring them. I do not know the numbers for steel cents. Logically thinking about the coin, it could simply be mechanical damage in places vice a DDO or DDR. The die cracks are hints that a once mechanically sound process is getting a little unstable and thus, odd things can happen.

[Gcantrell7]

Review things this morning withh fresh eyes and different lightning, I agree there is no doubling on the reverse.

Eyes also don't appear to doubled nor the 9.

I still feel like the 1 & 4 look like they were struck at 2-3 different angles. But perhaps that is, as you mentioned, the result of Die Deterioration.

You do understand that doubling isn't caused by multiple strikes, correct? Your response about the numbers being struck at different angles is confusing.