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  • A Proof Panda that does not look right

    Hello,

    I had a lady ask me to look over a Panda she had received from a store online. She said she ordered a MS-70 version of the Panda and they sent her a Prf-69 one instead. She was concerned about its authenticity and grade because of:

    - The obverse has a "smiley face" on the Pandas leg to the left
    - The company etched the serial number onto the coin, which matches the certificate.

    I examined the coin to see the above issues, and also found that one area of the coin had its letters reversed. I also told her it seemed odd that the building on the reverse was quite off center, and since I do not own one of these, nor do I collect Pandas I don't know the history behind the die makings and design.

    I was swamped Friday, I tried my best to keep up at the cost of taking photos as best I could without changing lenses and macros. lets hope these photos are good enough to figure out what's going on.

    Full Obverse
    http://www.minterrors.org/wp-content...9/IMG_2659.jpg

    Full Reverse
    http://www.minterrors.org/wp-content...9/IMG_2660.jpg

    Close up of Panda with Smiley Face near back leg
    http://www.minterrors.org/wp-content...9/IMG_2661.jpg

    Seal on Obverse that is backwards
    http://www.minterrors.org/wp-content...16/09/seal.jpg

    Close up of reverse, right side of building goes to the rim
    http://www.minterrors.org/wp-content...9/IMG_2663.jpg

    Close up of reverse left side of building that is not close to the rim
    http://www.minterrors.org/wp-content...9/IMG_2664.jpg

    The NGC Certification page for the NGC number is here:
    https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/4308777-431/

    I cannot make out if the seal is backwards, or if the smiley face exists on the leg of the Panda on the photos that NGC shot.
    Gary Kozera
    CONECA State Representative for Virginia
    Website: http://www.minterrors.org
    Forums:http://minterrors.org/index.php?/forums/
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    Store: http://minterrors.org/index.php?/store/

  • #2
    The seal is the same way, as the image from NGC .
    If they order a PR-70 and didn't receive that, then send it back .
    I also think China made this coin for the show ( Special Exhibit )
    That's the only issue here ( PR-69 Instead of MS-70 ) ...
    Last edited by Stachowski; 09-28-2016, 02:58 AM.

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    • #3
      My concern about the coin was, why does it have a smiley face on the Panda and why on earth would you etch a number onto the field of the coin - why not do it in a flat plane where it looks better. The fact its been etched, an "inappropriate" smiley face exists and there is a seal that's backwards had alarms going off for the owner.

      She wants Ken Potter to take a quick look at the photos and offer his opinion as well. Ski, you're probably right about it being legit, but the QA and eventual grade of this coin to me is way off.To me, any etching on the coin, no matter what should be construed as damage, even if it is a coin, token or otherwise. The company could have easily asked the grading company to sequentially number the label on the holder to eliminate the eye sore on the field.
      Gary Kozera
      CONECA State Representative for Virginia
      Website: http://www.minterrors.org
      Forums:http://minterrors.org/index.php?/forums/
      Auction House: http://auctions.minterrors.org
      Store: http://minterrors.org/index.php?/store/

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      • #4
        The coin is genuine:
        https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/4308777-431/
        Ken Potter
        CONECA Public Relations
        Member of: CONECA-HLM, ANA-LM, MSNS-HLM, NWDCC, CSNS, NLG, IASAC, Fly-In
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        Unless otherwise noted, images are by Ken Potter and copyright Ken Potter 2015.


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