Three Coins Found Today

[Merlin8971]

I found three curious coins in my bank roll searching today. The first is a 1996 D quarter I would guess is some sort of rim error, but I do not know the exact title or classification for the error (photos included). Although the coin weighs 5.64 grams, the coin is only about .80 as thick as a normal quarter. Where the red arrows are pointing it appears to be a strike through on the lettering and the rim is severely flattened all the way around.

The second coin is a 1967 P(?) with a very similar rim type of error. However this coin has three distinct planchet clips (arrows point to the very edge locates the three clips. The coin is also thinner than a normal coin and weighs 5.48 grams.

The central devices on each coin are mostly normal and detailed without any distortion but do not seem to have the full elevation they would normally have.

The third coin is a 2005 Oregon state quarter with an obvious strike through error both obverse and reverse. The obverse shows very faint or non-existent U, N, I, T in United and a faint second A in America. The L, I are missing from Liberty and Q, U of Quarter are also faint on the obverse.

The reverse is much more fun. GON is all that can be seen with the naked eye (or with a loupe) in Oregon, the 1 is missing from 1859, C, R are nearly invisible to the naked eye in Crater Lake. The Volcano island appears to the naked eye to have smoke coming from it up through the hills in the background. The 0, 5 in 2005 are faint and E Pluribus Unum is nearly invisible except for the P, L, U and a partial R.

My questions are as follows. What would the correct error classification for the 1996 and 1967 quarters be and is their any value in any of the three coins? Any other enlightenment and/or comments are welcome.

Since I can only upload 5 photos....I will continue the last photo with another thread.

[Merlin8971]

Three Coins I Found Today Continued

I have the reverse of the third coin 2005 Oregon State Quarter here. Besides....it is the funnest photo.

[diamond]

The first two quarters were damaged outside the Mint. The Oregon quarter was struck through die fill ("grease").

[Merlin8971]

Photos May Not Tell

The photos I included my not tell the whole story about the first two coins. The surfaces of the areas that look damaged is the same as the surfaces of the fields. There are not scratches tooling marks, sanding marks to indicate they are PMD. The porosity of the surfaces are also the same as the fields.

On the second coin the 1967 the three areas where clips are, the edges are reeded indicating that the clips were pre-reeding mint damage.

There IS PMD as far as normal wear scratches here and there that one would expect, but not in the areas pointed out by the red arrows. But, PMD would not explain how the coins are thinner than a normal coin without the center devices showing being flatened in some manner. There is no distortion or damage (for the most part) to Washington or the Eagle on the reverse to suggest PMD.

If one assumes that it is NOT PMD what would cause these deformities in the minting process? I guess I need to find and watch the video I remember seeing somewhere on the minting process and die operation. I thought I was familiar with how dies work but maybe not.

As for the third coin I think it is really really kewl to have another state quarter, that being the GON state, its inception in 859 . Now I have a 51 state collection. Well, I don't have the Denver mint of the GON state.

Just as a side note, I found an Idaho with an eyebrow cud (yes, I do know cud is a term JUST for the rim extra metal, but we need another term that is as easy as cud for interior extra metal (or maybe there is one and I dont know it)), two Alaska quarters with interior cuds (maybe that'll work) that appear as extra claws on the bear, a 1994 DDO quarter, a Roosevelt dime with an eyebrow and dribbling mouth interior cuds, a 1964 d/d nickel and a 1936-D Indian head nickel in my bank roll searching. It was a good day for bank roll coins .

[diamond]

The first two quarters were crushed and battered outside the Mint. There is nothing else to say. If you choose to believe that they are mint errors, that's entirely your prerogative.

In your last paragraph, you are describing die chips.

[Merlin8971]

It Is A Matter Of Evidence

Not to say you are wrong about PMD, but the coins suggest by their physical appearance that it was not the crushing you attribute to the coins. As I stated earlier the central devices on both coins are not crushed or mangled in any way and have all of their details intact. The coins are both 80% as thick as a normal coin all across the surface. If I had a micrometer I would measure the different areas of the coins, but alas, I do not own one any more. Another indicator is the weigh is within the normal range so grinding or sanding could probably be discounted.

I do realize the 1967 does have PMD with scratches, dirt and gouges and what would be considered normal wear on the devices along with the other deveations.

As I said, you may be right, who knows, but I am not choosing to believe anything.

[coin-crazy]

Mike .D pretty much wrapped this one up!!!