1969s help reverse double mint mark die clash ?

[Igotitbad]

Really could use a hand identifying what exactly is going on with this coin. It looks like a floating die clash by the t in cent. Never seen anything like it Ite lts a whole column. The mint mark looks a lot like a 3 rather than a s and it appears to be several types of doubling on the devices on the reverse. If anybody could do me a huge favor and just give take a peak and give me their honest opinion I would be forever grateful

[MintErrors]

In my opinion, the only thing I can sort of confirm is that the mintmark might simply be clogged with debris.

The photos are blurry to tell you the truth. Even IF this was a coin that merited a look by an attributer, the magnification is really high. The attributers, if they cannot see it under a 10x loupe, it will be considered too minor to list.

Doubled dies TYPICALLY are doubled in the same general area on the affected parts of the coin. So, if its doubled to the north on the devices (letters, numbers etc) then the rest should generally in the same direction/area. We do not typically see doubled dies in random areas on coins.

As far as the clash, I cannot tell for sure.

[279773]

I lookd at the photos , hey i gut 172 , 1969s n i dont concurr with any anomilies. Inot member here i only just started examinining coins last November

[279773]

You hve devoted but 16 percent ofphotography to afected area. Why so?

[Igotitbad]

In my opinion, the only thing I can sort of confirm is that the mintmark might simply be clogged with debris.

The photos are blurry to tell you the truth. Even IF this was a coin that merited a look by an attributer, the magnification is really high. The attributers, if they cannot see it under a 10x loupe, it will be considered too minor to list.

Doubled dies TYPICALLY are doubled in the same general area on the affected parts of the coin. So, if its doubled to the north on the devices (letters, numbers etc) then the rest should generally in the same direction/area. We do not typically see doubled dies in random areas on coins.

As far as the clash, I cannot tell for sure.

Thank you for bringing that to my awareness. Now looking at them I see how poor quality they are. Truly it’s hard to get a good picture because of the coins shine. I turned the lights off and used outside light turned them down moved the scope out and in. It seemed the further away I moved the lens the more glare I would get. I will try to take better pictures and repost. Thank you kindly I really appreciate your input

[Igotitbad]

In my opinion, the only thing I can sort of confirm is that the mintmark might simply be clogged with debris.

The photos are blurry to tell you the truth. Even IF this was a coin that merited a look by an attributer, the magnification is really high. The attributers, if they cannot see it under a 10x loupe, it will be considered too minor to list.

Doubled dies TYPICALLY are doubled in the same general area on the affected parts of the coin. So, if its doubled to the north on the devices (letters, numbers etc) then the rest should generally in the same direction/area. We do not typically see doubled dies in random areas on coins.

As far as the clash, I cannot tell for sure.

I found a better picture

[Igotitbad]

Thank you for bringing that to my awareness. Now looking at them I see how poor quality they are. Truly it’s hard to get a good picture because of the coins shine. I turned the lights off and used outside light turned them down moved the scope out and in. It seemed the further away I moved the lens the more glare I would get. I will try to take better pictures and repost. Thank you kindly I really appreciate your input

This as well

[MintErrors]

In my opinion, those last two photos are just as bad.

I personally don't need any distractions on the coin photos, it makes it very difficult to try to see what is going on.

As for lighting, it does take a lot of ingenuity to figure out a way to get the glare down, some with cloth could reduce some of the glare, just make sure you clear any lights of potentially flammable material as soon as possible.

The 1969-S coin has just one business strike variety on Variety Vista:
http://varietyvista.com/01b%20LC%20D...R%201969-S.htm

https://coppercoins.com

or

https://doubleddie.com

Might have more for you to look over. Its important to remember that what the attributer photos show should match almost exactly to what you see on your coin, or its not a match. The doubled dies are impressed onto those working dies, and those images do not move.

[MintErrors]

For possible die clashes, visit
https://maddieclashes.com

[Rok3269]

I found a better picture

The only things I can easily see on this photo, due to you not marking it with lines, is the next open area to the right of Lincoln and what appears to be a dbl column. I did say appears as I am still learning all this myself. The rest of it needs very clear, close up photos of the affected areas without distracting lines all over it.
My official noobish Dos Centavos!!

[Igotitbad]

The only things I can easily see on this photo, due to you not marking it with lines, is the next open area to the right of Lincoln and what appears to be a dbl column. I did say appears as I am still learning all this myself. The rest of it needs very clear, close up photos of the affected areas without distracting lines all over it.
My official noobish Dos Centavos!!

This is the best I’ve got for now , double strike?

[Rok3269]

Definitely not a dbl strike, there is something else going on in that part of the coin and the doubling, I think, is a by-product of it and more likely machine doubling.
Whatever it is, it starts at the edge of the coin, just inside of the rim and goes up at an angle past the Lincoln memorial, but not through it. Better minds/eyes than mine are needed for that. sorry.

[Igotitbad]

Definitely not a dbl strike, there is something else going on in that part of the coin and the doubling, I think, is a by-product of it and more likely machine doubling.
Whatever it is, it starts at the edge of the coin, just inside of the rim and goes up at an angle past the Lincoln memorial, but not through it. Better minds/eyes than mine are needed for that. sorry.

I’m fairly new to this but I don’t believe machine doubling can leave marks like that on a coin. Machine doubling affects the devices of the coin and the size and shape of them. I don’t believe it just leaves random marks in the fields of the coin. I do believe this is something else. Thank you kindly

[MintErrors]

I’m fairly new to this but I don’t believe machine doubling can leave marks like that on a coin. Machine doubling affects the devices of the coin and the size and shape of them. I don’t believe it just leaves random marks in the fields of the coin. I do believe this is something else. Thank you kindly

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That clash looking area is unique. It looks raised on the coin, so it had to be incused or sunk into the die. It's probably not actual "columns", since the spacing is off. It looks like metal flow, almost a rippling effect. A strike through that possibly damaged the die is a possibilty. 6

If it were that strong clash, one would wonder why other areas would not be affected as well. Looking at an overlay, a stereotypical die set up shows those areas are close be being field only on the obverse and reverse of the dies. One area that MIGHT line up is the base of Lincolns coat. Since the image of the coin design are incused or sunk into the working dies, you should only see an outline of the design unless it was so strong, then the shattering of the dies was a possibilty as well. Most die presses have a safety factor built in to keep dies from clashing. If they clash, it's usually only seen when the presses are first set up for that type of coin being minted.

On second thought, it might be finger feeder damage as well. You can research that at https://error-ref.com. The above wider view photo above shows more lines above the memorial building.

If I were you, I would see if Mike Diamond would give his opinion at https://error-ref.com. send a message via contact us, see if you can attach a photo or offer a link to this page for him to see photos.
In my opinion, Mike D. Is point blank, trustworthy and one of the most knowledgeable people still semi-active in the error coin venue. Fred W is retired, so Mike is a close 2nd.

[MintErrors]

Feeder finger damage. Image from the coin community.

https://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=336856