1964 penny GGD

[Trent Boothe]

I am resubmitting my 1964 D penny after dipping in acetone it took me 5 times looking at it before I noticed what I believe is not the kind of damage from PMD if you look at it the mark is not even touching the the second G and if it did the G would be upside-down. There is no built up or a knack from being damaged PMD I would think it would have fallen offor had sharp edges that's what I see that the word GOD is misspelled GGD my thought is it could have been a new die and it a little rough there it stuck to the die and after it stamped it it when it started to move it fell in that position

[onecent1909]

the lettering is on the die from the hub// which is from the master die and that from the master hub... which is from the Galvano. There is no way you could have a GGD or All cents that year would be GGD. this is PMD... Sorry..... when a coin is struck... the metal is liquid and would not stick to the die.

[Trent Boothe]

To say that there's no way that could happen I mean if you look at it there's no way it's post damaged from scratch should be well reading my post and if there's no way that could happen I guess there'd be no error coins not trying to be a smartass I'm new at this but I know metal and metal just doesn't bend or get moved like that without buildup cracks breaks or falling off

[onecent1909]

Let me start with I would like to help you learn about errors and varieties long term if you would like...... with that said

.....so the lettering is on the Galvano... and works down to the die. you can have errors. but not a letter that is not already there on a Standard U.S. Coin. and when the coin is struck.... the metal liquefies.... it does not get stuck to a die be it a new die or an old die..... except for strike doubling which does not look like this at all......

I understand you are new at this....I have collected for 40 plus years, member of CONECA since 2006, variety collector since 1999, and errors since 2012.... and I have taught classes on varieties and errors

the best information I can give you is to learn all the steps of the coin making process. and all the steps where there could be a mistake that would make an error or variety... and what errors and varieties can be made.... this will take quite a while to learn ..... there is a class during the summer at the ANA summer seminar that would help...

but like I said.. this cant happen at the U.S. Mint... I know this by my knowledge of... Turing 2 mint facilities.... knowing how dies are made, the entire minting process, what error are created and known, how errors are made, how they are made and what varieties are, and how coins are made.

[onecent1909]

..... if you look at it the mark is not even touching the the second G and if it did the G would be upside-down.....

I am not sure what you are saying.... what mark? the vertical inline of the second G?.... and why would it be upside down?

[Trent Boothe]

The G has a sharp turn to it that was supposed to be an o it had to have been done when it was wet when it was pressed with heat my thought was and I'm not sure it's right is that when it lifted up to move the Blanchard out of the way to get another one to stamp that little part of the G stuck to it and got moved that way and it fell back down in place because it wouldn't have been here unless there was Heat no I just found that coin in my change about 6 months ago but to say that there's absolutely positively no way that can happen then how do error coins happen I realize I'm new at it but the impossible seems to happen every now and again and from what I understand from the guy that I should have before and he told me to dip it and I should tell him to resubmit it said that he has seen other coins that said ggd

[Trent Boothe]

Okay I guess my real question would be then how come I have a penny that says that then if it's not possible

[onecent1909]

I stand by my statement.. Post Mint Damage.

[onecent1909]

but to say that there's absolutely positively no way that can happen then how do error coins happen

there are books and classes that teach how error coins happen.
the CONECA Library can help with this.
the ANA summer seminar class... The modern minting process error and varieties can also help.

[Trent Boothe]

That's just It it a error you can't predict a error and you can't tell me it can't happen because I have one and if you don't understand what I'm saying it because you don't want to I can't say you know every error you can only say the one you believe and once again if it can't happen how do I have one explain that

[Trent Boothe]

I would like to know how I have one if it could not happen please explain that I will read it unless your going to tell me it's not possible because I have one so I is possible

[Trent Boothe]

Wee is the damage that caused it and howdid it reattach its self back to the the coin no discussions just do what I say the only problem with that is you haven't explained why it is the way it is I can see why you won't take private messages anyone who doesn't agree with you you won't talk to if you can tell me how it's not possible I will listen but if you can tell me is it's not possible then it's really not a discussion now I've only talked to one person how didn't agree with me for doesn't believe I have found anything either but was open to the idea of it him respected on here on I'm sure your personal superiority on the matters will keep you from saying clearly too do what I say don't worry I will be living this close mined sight and I paid 149 dollars for this bs

[Trent Boothe]

Sorry for the misspelled and missed word butt I am mad that you can't conceive to an idea that isn't your own make a case tell me how that this could not be and I'll listen but to you I tell you it can happen it's not a post mint damage I but that makes you mad and you will right me off butt that's OK I'm going to talk to the Denver mint and bring it to them and let them examine it the place that made it I will be ending my what ever it is with this sight and if they say it's not possible they will explain it to me butt if it is ill make sure that you know not this sight because I'm sure there are people that put there heart and soul into this sight and i would not want to see that go

If it isn't worth anything I'll let you know about that also and apologize I'm looking for more then I said so

[onecent1909]

I am sorry your mad...as far as me mad... no I have not been mad... still am not mad.... even though you are attacking me and I gave tried to help but I cant seam to make you understand... in my opinion your coin is damaged.
the coin is not wet when ejected... the die can not move the metal when ejecting... the letter G can not be on the die..
I see the damaged on the O... I see the bend and fold of the metal on the O.

[QUOTE=Trent Boothe;n95988]Wee is the damage that caused it and how did it reattach its self back to the the coin no discussions just do what I say the only problem with that is you haven't explained why it is the way it is I can see why you won't take private messages anyone who doesn't agree with you you won't talk to if you can tell me how it's not possible " .... WHAT?.....

I have no idea how your coin was damaged... if you go to a junk yard and look at a car can you tell me how it is there? why it is there? Did the engine break? did the transmission freeze up? did the clutch disc shatter and they did not want to fix it? Was it made wrong and is a factory defect?... I would say no as it shows it was on the road at some time.

the private message button is pushed in so I should be getting PMs...
and I look at the forum every 1 to 2 days as I am an attributer here on the forum...

as far as "BS" I have tried to tell you that this can not happen... it just does not work the way you think it does....

in your Hello post I typed out my response to that post... I am more then happy to work with you.
but you have to understand that things happen at the mint in a certain function. the machines can break.. but the functions would not allow the to happen. normal or broken.

I think you coin was hit a long time ago. squished down so it would not fall off and is damaged. I cant be more clear... it is damaged in my opinion.

You do not seam to be open minded as to the fact that maybe... just maybe... it is damaged...
but until you understand how a coin is made I can not help explain....

By all mean go to the Denver mint however you should call ahead and ask if they will gave someone who can look at it for you.

[Jamez]

Trent, I too have looked at this coin. Its PMD. There is no way that this could happen during the minting process. If you think that it can, please enlighten me as to how this happened or could happen, I have only been doing this for 55 years and always up to learning. Here is a 41 Lincoln with damage to the 1 making it slanted. This PMD coin is well known and its also known how this happens. Finger from a penny rolling machine. s-l64.jpg