1981 Lincoln cent struck off center or broadstrike on a large clipped planchet ?

[uruman]

My question , is the strike on the large clipped planchet an "off center strike " or a "broadstrike"

[occnumis2021]

from my limited experience with struck on scrap/fragment, which is what i presume this is, neither o/c or broadstruck would technically apply? i mean it would most likely not have been in collar and is obviously not centered having not been struck on a proper upset flan/planchet.

some tpg or submitter may get all bent outta shape about having 10 designations on the holder but imo, i'd just dump this in the struck on scrap/frag label with maybe clipped as well. some of that will boil down to matter of opinion. a piece of scrap is gonna have a few things going on by default, every time.

i know you wanted a simple yes/no probably but when it comes to stuff like this, a simple yes/no isn't always applicable.

it is odd to have such a wonderful struck one side (obv in this instance) and have what appears to be a very weak (possible pmd too?) reverse. again, from my limited exp with these, they both should be strong or weak. i presume the frag is also rather thin, even before striking.

as a side note, your 3rd image, the obv, is a nearly perfect image. whatever you did in that one, do in future ones!!

hopefully someone else also chimes in.

[MintErrors]

Broadstruck coins show the entire design on both sides. But, since the coin is not contained within the collar, It's smashed flat, which can result in it being quite larger in size.

Off centers strikes can have devices missing.

In my opinion, it's a clipped planchet, struck off center.

One has to realize that this planchet, even IF it was in the collar will attempt to spread the metal under tons of pressure.

I cannot tell if the reverse has feeder finger damage or if those diagonal lines were due to metal movement or striations.

This one may have been stuck in a coin counting machine. There is light damage on Lincoln's cheek and the reverse looks damaged as well. It's not that big a deal in reference to the damage it just proves it's a major error in the end. The reverse is a but more damaged than normal, but again, it just adds to the drama of what happened to errors that get caught up in the minting process and escape out to the real world - back then.

[uruman]

Thank you , I agree with your assessment of these coin ( I got it from a known CCF member that has some of the most nice errors among other coins) , and also wonder how could have escape the mint without help .

[occnumis2021]

after looking over everything again, including a great post by M.E., perhaps a struck o/c on a ragged edge clipped flan is the simple of it?

still can't reconcile that rev tho. (but very well could be as mentioned about getting stuck in a counting machine or the like) the world may never know.

uruman , have you consulted a known error expert? i'm good with errors but no expert AND rusty as heck.

this is a great conversational piece to keep in a flip or plastic holder in your pocket to show people!

i'd used to have an pcgs au58 large cent (that i made) in my pocket from time to time to show certain people, although it was tough for them to grasp what they were looking at i think but very fun nonetheless.

[uruman]

I've been a member of Coin Community Family since 2011 and I posted there a couple of days ago and I've had the same response there , just waiting for Mike a diamond to chime in , and I purchased it from another well known member there

[MintErrors]

occnumis2021 the reverse photos of this coin are both out of focus. I have to remind myself that when a train wreck occurs on a minting machine, and a coin is struck off center that all sorts of wild possibilities could occur.

Error-ref.com has some examples of die scrapes and such, but I think the coin photos of the reverse were more focused, it may reveal that it's feeder finger damage. With some of the coin material missing I believe that the metal flow was affected as well.. then, we have to hypothetically guess which working die was the hammer and the other the anvil die. It can get complicated to explain.

A photo is worth 1000 words or more. The Lincoln cent pictured in the link below has that same style look. I suggest that the clipped off center coin some how can in contact with the moving devices and scraped up the reverse pretty bad. When those train wrecks happen, it's nearly impossible to know what exactly happened, but the end result was that this coin escaped through a bag, and somehow made it through the filters set in place. Things happen.

https://www.error-ref.com/die-scrapes/

[uruman]

hope these last two pictures show some of the feeder finger damage 1981clipped-5.jpg 1981clipped-6.jpg

[uruman]

if these coin would be yours , would you have it encased through PGCS or ANACS ?.

[MintErrors]

Although ANACS might be a tad cheaper, it's still going to be quite expensive. It depends on your reasoning. If you are planning to resell this coin, you have to compare the costs of getting it slabbed and what you might get for the coin.

If you are planning on keeping the coin, then the costs are absorbed and it's for protection and peace of mind.

I do not push people to/not to send coins in. It's your decision, risk, money and time.

Research the place and total cost. See if it is worth it to you.

[uruman]

Thanks ,it would not be for resell purposes since I have never sell any of my coins in the 40 plus years of collecting but just to keep it safe and attributed to what it's , for my grand kids as all my other errors I have for them , I guess now my next question would be , is CONECA able to produce something with the type of error it's to send with the coin or lets said PGCS will determine what it's? . My apologies for so many questions .

[MintErrors]

No problem on questions.
I am a regular member just like you.
I attempt to help as many people as I can. It's in my blood.

I suggest contacting jamez via the member list.... yes, that's with a z on the end. He can point you in the right direction on how CONECA staff can help with the examination of the coin.

I would imagine that a CONECA authorized staff member would have to see the coin in hand, examine it and then, this gets a little Grey for me. I don't know if CONECA returns the coin to you, and forwards some info to a third party grading service, or can CONECA partake more in this. That's up to CONECA staff and their internal process.

If you want CONECA involved, I suggest contacting Jamez before proceeding.