1959 Washington 25C Grease? Crack? Need help.

[Conan62]

Just when I thought I was getting good at this. I’m usually able to find my own data but this one has me baffled. I have in my possession a few 1959 Washington quarters with the exact same issues. ( not sure what to call them). I checked my known sites and could find nothing. Hopefully someone has seen this before and knows what it is. Thank you in advance for taking the time to view the coins and respond if possible.

[MintErrors]

In my opinion, its a die chip in the "E" and die crack by the ribbon.

That die crack runs from the ribbon along the bottom of Washington, past the "1" in the date and appears to stop in the flat field.

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The completed entries section is where I visit.

[occnumis2021]

Just when I thought I was getting good at this. I’m usually able to find my own data but this one has me baffled. I have in my possession a few 1959 Washington quarters with the exact same issues. ( not sure what to call them). I checked my known sites and could find nothing. Hopefully someone has seen this before and knows what it is. Thank you in advance for taking the time to view the coins and respond if possible.

gotta say. with you checking all your resources and a bunch of sites, which means you kinda know a bit. if you would, tell me, how it is you don't know what a simple die chip/crack is? i'm the curious type, is why i ask.

[Conan62]

if I didn’t know better it almost sounds like sarcasm? Are you from New York as well? Lol. Here’s the thing, the Die chip in the motto, and the die crack/chip in the bust are in six coins. This is not a typical Washington die crack that we see in many Washington quarters below the bust. None of the other 1959 coins from the bank roll have either. How does this happen? There should be others on one of the cuds/cracks websites . Two cracks in the die at the same time then they fixed it?

[MintErrors]

A working die which made this coins obverse can strike up to over 500,000 coins with the norm about 325,000. That working die, even with a crack can hammer out several hundred to tens of thousands of coins before being retired.

This die crack isn't one that is going to cause the die to fail - yet. They used between 9 to 15 minting presses back then all doing quarters. That's a ton of coins coming out. They all go down chutes, head towards bagging. The odds are you might get 4-8 of the same coin that was struck from the same working die.

You are taking a very small sample here Your talking about a roll out of 24 Million coins that were minted out of Philadelphia. With that die producing about 300,000 coins or so, we have no idea other than looking at the die state and then guessing how many coins were minted when the crack JUST started to show to where you have a coin in hand. They use these working dies for as LONG as they can.

This is far from rare. That crack location is a target area and with many other years having the same issue in the same area. Same for the die chip in the "E".

Its NOT on cuds on coins, because its a simple die crack and not a cud.

Just for Giggles..... I looked at DDO's and I found these that have markers with a crack in the same general location.......

http://varietyvista.com/09b%20WQ%20Vol%202/DDO%20Detail%20Pages/1959PDDO001.htm

http://varietyvista.com/09b%20WQ%20Vol%202/DDO%20Detail%20Pages/1962PDDO003.htm

http://varietyvista.com/09b%20WQ%20Vol%202/DDO%20Detail%20Pages/1962PDDO004.htm

http://varietyvista.com/09b%20WQ%20Vol%202/DDO%20Detail%20Pages/1963PDDO007.htm

http://varietyvista.com/09b%20WQ%20Vol%202/DDO%20Detail%20Pages/1963PDDO008.htm

I could keep going, but I do have better things to do.

[occnumis2021]

A working die which made this coins obverse can strike up to over 500,000 coins with the norm about 325,000. That working die, even with a crack can hammer out several hundred to tens of thousands of coins before being retired.

This die crack isn't one that is going to cause the die to fail - yet. They used between 9 to 15 minting presses back then all doing quarters. That's a ton of coins coming out. They all go down chutes, head towards bagging. The odds are you might get 4-8 of the same coin that was struck from the same working die.

You are taking a very small sample here Your talking about a roll out of 24 Million coins that were minted out of Philadelphia. With that die producing about 300,000 coins or so, we have no idea other than looking at the die state and then guessing how many coins were minted when the crack JUST started to show to where you have a coin in hand. They use these working dies for as LONG as they can.

This is far from rare. That crack location is a target area and with many other years having the same issue in the same area. Same for the die chip in the "E".

Its NOT on cuds on coins, because its a simple die crack and not a cud.

@Conan62

MintErrors makes a nice post, so i'll just say, "what he said "

i'm not from NY but several states west.

bust truncation cracks are actually like he said, a common area to see these, on different series of coins even as well as chips in dates/mottos etc. areas on the dies that are very small protruding pieces of metal prone to chipping/breaking and you see these from 1932-present amazingly enough. (and much earlier on other series)

you are right about them "fixing" some cracks/breaks" throughout the centuries at various mints using various processes. seems to be a little less common on modern coinage though.

thanks for the reply Conan, i mostly just wanted to see what you'd say.

[onecent1909]

Conan62 Just to add 1 thing. at the mint, multiple press run at the same time. each press may have the same denomination. so there are many dies of the same denom, striking coins at the same time. Some presses are set as dual strike so they have 2 sets of Obverse and reverse striking at 1 time, some are quads so 2 duals at the same time or 4 sets of obverse and reverse at 1 striking. they all get put into hoppers and/or bags, then are rolled. the coins that are similar were from the same die. the others were from a different die. the die chipped and cracked before these coins were struck, and the dies were not fixed afterwards.

[Conan62]

Thank you, John. Even with the die chip and die crack, I realize ‘59 Washington’s are not worth much money. I’ll probably put them all together and save them as a conversation item. They all mint 63 to 65 IMO.