2002-S Mississippi Proof Quarter Obv & Rev Die Clashes

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This cover reminded me of this die clash.

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Plus these..

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In my opinion, its alittle mind boggling.
One has to understand how these working dies are made.
Most of the images are incused or sunk into the working die so when the dies squeeze that planchet into a coin, what is sunk into the working dies will be raised onto a coin. Prime example is, taking a coin and sticking one side into playdoh. Carefully remove the coin and that what a working die might look like.

Now, with the bust of Washington sunk pretty deep into that working die, and having a clash, its a miracle that the dies didnt shatter. The flat surface of each working die touch first and some how the clash is in the deepest crevice of a working die?

I have my theories how this might happen but I will pass on explaining them for the time being. One would have to create an overlay of the single coin which has the best clash you have on the obverse and reverse. An overlay could be attempted to see if the design elements line up. Clashes are typically outlines of the coin design.

A photo of the full obverse and also the reverse would be needed. If they are the same size or close, it makes life a lot easier.

Use paint dot net to do overlays. Under the layers section import from a file both the obverse and reverse one at a time. Then under the layers menu at the bottom the properties area allows you to blend in the opacity of one layer into the other. Its a delicate balance to see both clashes, and to see if the design locations match.

Proof clashes tend to bring a modest premium since they are supposed to be more scrutinized/inspected than the business strikes. Like anything else, more drama on the coin, the better.

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In my opinion, its alittle mind boggling.
One has to understand how these working dies are made.
Most of the images are incused or sunk into the working die so when the dies squeeze that planchet into a coin, what is sunk into the working dies will be raised onto a coin. Prime example is, taking a coin and sticking one side into playdoh. Carefully remove the coin and that what a working die might look like.

Now, with the bust of Washington sunk pretty deep into that working die, and having a clash, its a miracle that the dies didnt shatter. The flat surface of each working die touch first and some how the clash is in the deepest crevice of a working die?

I have my theories how this might happen but I will pass on explaining them for the time being. One would have to create an overlay of the single coin which has the best clash you have on the obverse and reverse. An overlay could be attempted to see if the design elements line up. Clashes are typically outlines of the coin design.

A photo of the full obverse and also the reverse would be needed. If they are the same size or close, it makes life a lot easier.

Use paint dot net to do overlays. Under the layers section import from a file both the obverse and reverse one at a time. Then under the layers menu at the bottom the properties area allows you to blend in the opacity of one layer into the other. Its a delicate balance to see both clashes, and to see if the design locations match.

Proof clashes tend to bring a modest premium since they are supposed to be more scrutinized/inspected than the business strikes. Like anything else, more drama on the coin, the better.

A die clash has nothing to do with how a working die is made. You have to understand the minting process. A clash occurs when the hammer die and anvil dies collide without a planchet in the striking chamber. This collision transfers design elements from one die to the other. This resulting in faint, mirrored or out-of-place design elements on subsequent coins struck with the clashed dies.

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A die clash has nothing to do with how a working die is made. You have to understand the minting process. A clash occurs when the hammer die and anvil dies collide without a planchet in the striking chamber. This collision transfers design elements from one die to the other. This resulting in faint, mirrored or out-of-place design elements on subsequent coins struck with the clashed dies.

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<smirk> oh yes it does...it depends if there are devices incused or raised on to the working die. The working die also IS the culprit who creates the clash, it definitely has a lot to do with the clash.

I know how the clashes work. I dont need an reminder from a definition on error-ref.com.

I know how the minting process works. I have studied errors since 1977. Unless one knows how a working die is made and design elements incused on the die, when those dies smash together without a planchet only the flat fields normally touch. A clash is typically an outline of the elements, nothing more.

If you can, explain to me how the deepest crevice has a stronger clash than the flat field. Nah, nevermind, I am done here.