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GEORGE WASHINGTON DOLLAR

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  • GREEK1956
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    GEORGE WASHINGTON DOLLAR

    Hi, I just joined the forum and hope someone can help. I have a PCGS Washington P reverse clashed die error. I also see an obverse clash on this coin. I've seen at least one PCGS obverse and reverse clashed die error on ebay. If anyone has one of these, can you please tell me what the obverse clash is?
    Thanks, Nick
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  • 3˘nicker
    • Oct 2007
    • 128
    #2
    If you can, post pictures of said coin here, or send in for in hand viewing. Someone here I'm sure will be able to help you.
    Jimmy Ehrhart
    previous member of CONECA and C.F.C.C.

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    • Ed varietyhunter
      • Aug 2007
      • 30
      #3
      Nick,

      It makes sense that you might see a clash on both sides.
      The clash is made when the dies hit eachother without a blank planchet in between so the dies hit eachother. That can make the reverse design show on the obverse and the obverse design show on the reverse. It does not always show on both sides.

      When dies get clash marks then it shows on the coins struck by those dies but normaly they try to polish it away and keep using the dies.

      If your dollar shows it well that means your coin was struck before they noticed and polished or retired that die. If it was soon after the clash it will show best.

      Here's a 57-d cent that has a clash on both sides:



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      • russellhome
        • Nov 2007
        • 165
        #4
        Several Washington Dollar chashes of various strengths are known to exist. A fairly spectacular version -- having a bold obverse and reverse clash -- was reported in Coin World. I thought it as cool enough to buy one. But I waited for the initial $50+ prices to fall off and paid about $12 for it.

        My photos turned out pretty bad - but the clash marks show up nicely...


        A strong outline of Liberty's crown shows in and behind Washington's neck.



        The reverse shows outlines of Washington's eye sockets left of the arm pit and around the $1. On this stronger version, a full outline of the face extends from the $1, through the torch, and into Liberty's crown.

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        • Marchas45
          • Jul 2008
          • 24
          #5
          Good buy, I was going to bid on that one and at the last minute changed my mind. If those photos where on line I would have bought it. Congrats!!!! Charlie
          http://boards.collectors-society.com...t/1341/sig.jpg

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          • GREEK1956
            • Oct 2008
            • 17
            #6
            GEORGE WASHINGTON DOLLAR

            I tried to take a couple pictures, but I don't think my camera is good enough. I couldn't get the detail. Russell, I think your pics are great. What you are trying to show shows excellently (if that's a word). My coin has three vertical lines on Washington's neck from Liberty's crown and a very light horizontal line under his hair. No vertical lines under his hair in the field. PCGS certified it as a reverse clashed die. I contacted them and the variety expert said the obverse clash may have been to minor, but that I could resubmit it. I thought a clash is a clash. I'm sure the PCGS obverse clash is stronger like Russells.

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            • russellhome
              • Nov 2007
              • 165
              #7
              I don't know how PCGS works -- but I know that ANACS requires that you pay twice the attribution fee if you want them to recognize something on both sides of the coin. I've submitted a 2005 Ocean in View nickel with both a DDO and DDR (CONECA DDO-001, DDR-012) - and ANACS has attributed either the DDO or the DDR on the label - but never both.

              Another comment about clashes... I know the mint tries to clean up clash marks by polishing the affected area. But sometimes this 'fix' is worse than just leaving the clash in place. Today I found a 2005 P OR 25c with excessive polishing. Do you think they got a little carried away?



              With this much detail gone, the die should have been retired. I've seen reports of similar excessive polishing on the dollar coins -- giving us the 'racoon eyes' and grind marks between the lower arm and crown.

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              • GREEK1956
                • Oct 2008
                • 17
                #8
                GEORGE WASHINGTON DOLLAR

                I checked and PCGS doesn't charge more for both sides, but they probably charge more than ANACS. I know they charge quite a bit more than NGC for a mint error.
                Yes they do excessively polish the dies sometimes. I have a Jefferson dollar with Liberty's head somewhat separated from her neck.

                Nick

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