2008 silver proof half double

[kshuma]

I'm sure if this is MD. IN GOD WE TRUST is double on most letters. Images I had to piece together. Liberty looks like MD on a few letters and perhaps DD on the others.


Thanks for your opinions.
Ken

[wavysteps]

I also believe this is machine doubling. By the way, very excellent pictures.

BJ Neff

[jcuve]

I agree; both deceptive MD (again) and nice pictures!

[rascal]

What ever this is appears to me to have been done while the coin was still in the die . in the photo it looks like the frosting can also be seen on the lower shelf on the right side of the I in Liberty. it this was ejection doubling this area would be bright and smooth. maybe it is just where the coin was struck a few more times to make the proof coin.

[kshuma]

Forgot the image of "trust"

Hi guys thanks for the opinions, the frost appears to be uneven blotchy on the mint mark and trust . Here are the images of the date. Okay forgot the image of "trust" image is now ...

[19Lyds]

Here's mine which was sent to James Wiles in July of 2008 who declared it MD.

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However, the upside is that folks are actually LOOKING!

[rascal]

The only way anyone can tell for sure what these coins is would be to have a group of them to compare to the others. If the doubling was farther apart it would be easier to make the call. If a lot of these start showing up that are identical to each other in every way with matching die markers then I would start suspecting it as being from a doubled die. If each one with the doubling is a little different from each other then I would suspect machine doubling. Then this may be just MD because these coins are struck so many times to get the nice proof finish on them .

[kshuma]

19lyds, yep they are very close.. nice images.. Check out my image of trust missed it on the last post. Oh Yea will keep looking I'll find a really nice one some day..

Thanks
Ken

[wavysteps]

I just did a close of machine doubling on a Lincoln cent. If you will notice, the frosting is somewhat flattened in the area in question.

BJ Neff

[jcuve]

While not a proof, the profile doubling on this 1992 shows some similar characteristics in the way it cut into the profile - the rest of the MD flattened areas contacted:

[rockdude]

What ever this is appears to me to have been done while the coin was still in the die . in the photo it looks like the frosting can also be seen on the lower shelf on the right side of the I in Liberty. it this was ejection doubling this area would be bright and smooth. maybe it is just where the coin was struck a few more times to make the proof coin.

I don't think it would change into a bright and smooth area, it's still being struck by the same die.
Maybe you could explain how it would get to be bright and smooth. I do believe Proofs are only struck a couple of times.

[kshuma]

Hi Jason, while the areas are similar, to me it is the distance inward from the edge that the outline doubling has occurred on the chin area of the 2010 proof cent. If it had been closer to the edge I would agree 100% on MD.

[rascal]

I don't think it would change into a bright and smooth area, it's still being struck by the same die.
Maybe you could explain how it would get to be bright and smooth. I do believe Proofs are only struck a couple of times.

Rockdude is today the old take it out on Rascal day ? I do not even understand what the heck you are talking about. You need to learn a little more about coins then maybe you could understand what other folks say. If you will go back and look I said the the frosting on the letters and numbers made it look like whatever was wrong with the coin was probably done while the coin was still in the die .

I never once said the coin was bright and smooth. what I was trying to say was that if this was ejection doubling then the letters would be bright and smooth in the areas that looks to be doubled which is the truth. ejection doubling is when a coin becomes stuck in the coin die and the ejection finger slams the coin into the sharp edges of the letters and numbers of the coin die.this damages the details of the coin because the details of the die cuts back into the struck coin's letters or numbers.so common sense will tell us that the frosting would be gone off the part of the letters of the coin in question that received the die damage if this was ejection doubling. So If the frosting was gone don't you think this area would become smooth ?

Now Rockdude take you time and see if you can recognise what I told you.

Oh by the way what are you drinking today. send me some of that.

[rascal]

I don't think it would change into a bright and smooth area, it's still being struck by the same die.
Maybe you could explain how it would get to be bright and smooth. I do believe Proofs are only struck a couple of times.

rockdude if you would read all post on this thread it may help you to understand things better. I just noticed that Mr. Neff has confirmed what I said earlier about ejection doubling or what some call MD with some of his photos on post #9 of this thread.

[jcuve]

Hi Jason, while the areas are similar, to me it is the distance inward from the edge that the outline doubling has occurred on the chin area of the 2010 proof cent. If it had been closer to the edge I would agree 100% on MD.

That 2010 is MD in my view - the distance from the edge is unusual but irrelevant - if BJ had demonstrated otherwise I would have entertained it, but he too stated MD with photos...