Two 1964 D Nickels Brother/Sister Possible?

[Merlin8971]

I found two 1964 D Jefferson nickels within days of each other that show signs of being closely related. The first 1964 D shows an incuse die chip on the reverse @ 2:30 oclock. The second 1964 D Jefferson nickel shows a Large "Cud" at virtually the same position.

As speculation I interpret these two coins being related in the sense the "first" coin was struck with the breakage of the die creating an indentation very similar in size, position and shape to the second coin where the die breakage cleared the die and the second coin was struck with a slightly larger "Cud".

I compared the two coins in the characteristics of the letters and some surface marks. The characteristics of the date (1964) seem to be extremmely similar ( the shape of the 1 top point flag, the ending of the 9, the fatness of the top of the 6, and similarity mof the 4). Monticello on the reverse has extremely similar characteristics on both coins (the O has a slight shift to the right in the inner circle, the N has a shift to the right on the angled bar, etc.

I hope the photos are good enough. The incuse die chip is a bit hard to see, but the edge of the incuse is pointed out with yellow arrows and the incuse gets deeper as it approaches the rim.

Is this just a strange coincidence?

[Merlin8971]

I was wondering where would I search to try to find the die set that was utlized when the large cud occurred so that I can compare the sister coin to the die markers of the cud coin?

[rascal]

Merlin this is the way die chips start out. sometimes when a chip becomes loose in the die it will remain there and get buildup behind it and cause the sunken in areas. then when it finally falls out of the die this creates the raised die chip and cud coins. I have quite a few coins that have the incuse retained die chip areas and some of the coins from the same die with the raised die chips. these are easier to find by looking thru new rolls of coins from the mint.

My favorite die pair of coins is the detached leg 5 cent bison coins that were created by removing the heavy die clash marks from what we call the peeing bison coin. I only have a few of the peeing bison coins and would love to be able to find or buy some more of them. these have been confirmed that both type variety coins were struck with the same dies.

[Merlin8971]

Wa Wa Wa

WAA, I don't have the peeing bison errors. I do have a speared in the rear die crack and a number of detached leg bisons.

[numismanut]

I think it would be extremely hard to find die markers, such as cracks or chips, on these coins given their conditions. The general design elements would be the same for all 1964 nickels, unless the master hub (or master die? need to review the minting process) was changed. Would be cool if they are from the same die!

[Merlin8971]

Usually die markers are found in the fields of the coin which is not nearly as exposed as the rest of the coin to wear and usually can still be located on even very well worn coins.