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  • 1969-P Proof Reverse

    Here is a 1969-P Roosevelt dime with a proof reverse. I have also found several 1969-D Roosevelt dimes with what appears to be proof reverse also. These are scarce in comparison to 1970-P or D with proof reverses.

    The 1970's with proof reverse are actually much more common than the non-proof reverses.
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  • #2
    Trickster Mint. Ran out of reverse business strike dies and substituted proof dies to finish run.
    Member of: ANA, CCC, CONECA, Fly-in-club, FUN, NLG & T.E.V.E.C.


    • #3
      Proof Reverses

      I know that the 1970 P & D Roosevelt dime has many more proofs than business strike reverses. I find maybe 8 1970 Proof Reverses compared to 1 business strikes.

      I was aware of the 1969-D Proof reverse being used, but I was unaware that the 1969-P also was made with a proof reverse.

      Now, the question would be: How rare are the proof reverses of the 1969 Roosevelt dimes? Are there more 1969-D proof reverses than the 1969-P proof reverses? Are there any estimates of the number of Proof reverses there may be?

      I know Coneco experts avoid placing values on coins like the plague....but at some point you'all must realize that other than the sheer beauty of coins, the values are probably the second most important characteristic of coin collecting, so do the 1969-P & D have increased value because of the mint using proof reverses?


      • #4
        I wonder if your location plays a part in the abundance of the 1970-P & D with proof reverse? While I don't think it is really "scarce", my ratio is pretty much flipped. Just guessing, I'd say I find 1 in 10 or so that are proof reverses, with the Phillys being much more scarce than the Denvers. I have only found approx. 2 or 3 P's where I have found approx. 10 or 12 D's in the past 2 years or so. I still haven't found a '69 though, so I agree about those being harder to find. This is an interesting thread. I have always wondered how scarce these were. Thanks for posting!


        • #5
          Location, location, location

          One might think that location would play a part in finding coins, like people in Florida do not find as many Denver mints as Philly mints. It seems to take approximately two or more years for a fair quantity of denver mints to show up in the south east. So, I would say, over time the ratios should balance out somewhat. (Try finding a 2009-D Roosevelt dime in Florida.) And I only go to banks within a 4 miles radius.

          Now, as I record entries into my spreadsheet chronologically, I can see a pattern of finding 1970-P's in groups and 1970-D's in different groups. In other words, I might find 5 to 8 P's, then the next time I begin finding D's, maybe 5 or 6 in a row. It is kindof weird to me, but this is the pattern. I have very few entries which 1 P then 1 D, then 1 D and 1 P were found (for example). After going through rolls of coins (usually 5 rolls of each denomination, more rolls for pennies each day) for 3 years I have found that many times there is what I call a theme of the day where I find groups of the same coin errors on some days, none of those particular coins for several days after that.

          I know this is going to be hard to believe but I have (75) 1970-P Roosevelts with proof reverses and (97) 1970-D Roosevelts with Proof reverse. Note: for the past 6 months I have ONLY been keeping the better ones and letting the more worn one go back into the pool. I literally have a hard time finding 1970's without the Proof Reverses. As I may have said before, I usually find 6 to 10 with Proof reverses for each 1 without a proof reverse.

          As far as the 1969-P & D I have found (11) P's and (10) D's, which again seems higher than one would expect with the rarer 1969 Proof reverses.

          Another weird situation I find with 1999-P Jefferson nickels is that I find an incredible amount of Machine Doubled Obverses of the 1999-P. These coins are showing strong doubling of the date, mintmark, In God, and Trust. In fact I have saved (again worn coins are thrown back into the pool) (138) 1999-P Jefferson nickels with strong machine doubling.

          I question to myself that the odds of finding 138 machine doubled 1999-P Jefferson Nickels in three years is WAY OUT OF PROPORTION TO WHAT STATISTICALLY one would normally find of a machine doubled coin. Considering I can only search 0.0001 % (estimated on the low end) of the coins made, I shoould not have found so many in such a short period of time.It almost seems to me that an entire run of a die was not secured properly and maybe several million were made. In this situation I find maybe 50/50 of 1999-P Jefferson nickels without the doubling to those with doubling. I think that finding so many machined doubling nickels is again WAY out of proportion to what statistically one woukd expect.

          One would think that the operator would notice the machine doubling and re-adjust the dies to make sure they are seated properly.

          Another odd error is that 1990's Jefferson nickels tend to have a common die crack at 9 oclock from the nose of Jefferson horizontally to thr rim, which I call Pinocchio's. I have found at least one of each date from 1992 to 1998. Some dates I have found well over a dozen Pinocchio's.

          As of this date I have recorded 5132 coin errors of various types of Lincoln pennies through Washington, State and National Park quarters. I do have larger denomination errors but I have not included those in this count.

          Now I think this is some interesting information in the collection of error coins. I will continue this discussion with anyone who wants to relate their experiences with this subject and as to what I have experienced.


          • #6
            How do you tell a proof reverse from a business strike reverse?
            I am familiar with the Wide/Close AM on late 90's and newer cents, but have never heard of similar phenomenon on dimes.


            • #7
              James Wiles has accomplished an extensive coverage on different RDVs. This is the link to the Roosevelt dimes


              BJ Neff
              Member of: ANA, CCC, CONECA, Fly-in-club, FUN, NLG & T.E.V.E.C.


              • #8


                The 1969 Roosevelt dimes as shown in Variety-Vista normally do not have the two recesses to the left and in the middle of the flame. I have seen some 1969 (both P & D) Roosevelts which have very small recesses and others with a more substantial set of recesses. The "minor" recesses usually show when there is a weak strike or a greater amount of wear. Although, for me, the "minor" recesses I attribute to a NON proof reverse. When the recesses are more promenant, I attribute that to the Proof reverse. I generally keep all the Roosevelts that have a definite pair of recesses (even when they are "minor" and I see moderate wear on the coin).

                Variety-Vista apparently does not attribute the "Proof reverse" to the 1969-D, however, I have found about 8 of them that I would say are definite "proof reverses." I have found several more than that of the 1969-P.

                The 1970-P & D "Proof reverses" are FAR more common. Actually from what I have found,.... the "non-proof" 1970-P & D seem to be much more rare than the 1970-P & D "proof reverse" It is my experience that one can find 10 1970 "Proof reverses" for every 1 "non-proof reverses.

                Hope this helps you in your search.