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Is this Double Die?
Thanks ~ Darryl
Thanks ~ Darryl
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It certainly looks like one to me. But I'll wait for confirmation from one of our more experienced variety experts.Mike Diamond. Error coin writer and researcher. -
Thanks Mike - did not see it in the master listing that seemed to match this. There are three listed and mine does not seem to have the markers described.Originally posted by diamond View Post
Thanks again for taking a look.
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Looks like it to me as well, notice the extra loop in the top of the R?Originally posted by uss656 View PostProud Member: CONECA, TEC, HVNS, NS, ANAComment
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Originally posted by Jim M View Post
Thanks Jim, I am going to get it back under the scope today and post pictures of each area mentioned where markers should be. I'll also get close-ups of In God We Trust and Liberty. I have not seen the markers listed but the scope will show better.Comment
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It is certainly a DDO. Absence of markers could be because it is a different die or a different stage. I would be happy to take a first hand look. Email me for details, if you are interested.CONECA 20th Century Die Variety AttributerComment
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That looks very much like one I found a few years ago. If it is the same, there should also be a little doubling in the GO of GOD (nice notch on inside serif of the G) and a little doubling in the I of LIBERTY. Based on the reverse markers noted on the CONECA Master Listings page - which do appear to match my coin, I've "self attributed" this one as DDO-002. But, I may be wrong. Here are my photos...
And here are some taken with my QX3 microscope...
As you can see, my example has plenty of die scratch markers in addtion to what is listed on CONECA's listings page. There is a nice scratch from inside the 9 and extending out and under the 6 of the 1968 date. Plus, there are several die scratches near TRUST (as seen in the first photo). Does your coin have any of the same markers?Last edited by russellhome; 04-04-2008, 03:17 PM.Comment
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Originally posted by russellhome View Post
Russel - I don't think it's the same, please take a look at my new photo's and tell me what you think.
The top of the memorial that I have circled is shaped like a horn and raised. It looks like mint damage. The light washes it out a bit but I think you can make it out.
I don't think I have seen pictures quite like these yet - but god knows I could be wrong -
- seems to happen regularly as I know so little about errors!!!
Thanks everyone for taking a look!
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Russel - the difference between yours and mine could be a matter of wear/condition? Would be interested to know if you have that error on the reverse like mine?Comment
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From what I see by your new photos, I'm even more convinced that we found the same variety. Lighting makes all the difference - if lit from a different angle, the same stuff can look very different. But in your photos, I clearly see the notch in the G of GOD. On your date photo, the inside loop of the 9 is washed out, but I see a similar scratch between the 6 & 9. Plus - one of the markers for DDO-002 is a die crack in column 12. Both of our coins have a similar crack in that location. I do see something going on above the right memorial building - but compared to your photo, I can't be sure it is what you are seeing.
Note the die crack pointed to on Column 12
The other reverse marker for CONECA DDO-002 identified on the master listings page is a die scratch above and east of the O in ONE. I see a die scratch there - but there is a larger one to the West of the O. This is a pretty bold scratch -- and if ours are the same variety and similar die state, your's should have it too.Last edited by russellhome; 04-04-2008, 05:44 PM.Comment
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That 2nd photo is the one! They are exactly the same mark (under the memorial/above the O). I didn't even notice it untill I looked at yours.Originally posted by russellhome View PostFrom what I see by your new photos, I'm even more convinced that we found the same variety. Lighting makes all the difference - if lit from a different angle, the same stuff can look very different. But in your photos, I clearly see the notch in the G of GOD. On your date photo, the inside loop of the 9 is washed out, but I see a similar scratch between the 6 & 9. Plus - one of the markers for DDO-002 is a die crack in column 12. Both of our coins have a similar crack in that location. I do see something going on above the right memorial building - but compared to your photo, I can't be sure it is what you are seeing.
Note the die crack pointed to on Column 12
The other reverse marker for CDDO-002 identified on the master listings page is a die scratch above and east of the O in ONE. This is a pretty bold scratch -- and if ours are the same variety, your's should have it too.Comment
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Well -- it looks like we both have DDO-002 then. Note also - the obverse markers on the listings page ID die chips above certain letters. Both of our coins appear to have the same chips. So I'm pretty sure DDO-002 is the correct call.
It definitly takes a while to get good at this stuff - particularly identifying varieties by the markers. I'm conviced that any of us that develop a talent for this hobby would make good forensic scientists. Markers change, wear off, etc. and are generally very small defects. Identifying coins by the markers takes some skill. What is even worse is when few if any markers are matched. I imagine these new "stages" are what give pros like Dr. Wiles and others real headaches.
An example of what I'm talking about... Here is a link to what I THINK is the same variety on Coppercoins.com.
The doubling looks the same as well as the die chip above the E in WE, but the markers they point to do not appear on my coin. In particular, they note a die scratch west of the mint mark that my coin lacks - and the die scratch I clearly see in the 96 of the date is not visible on their photo. Note that they point to some mark on the top right side of the memorial building. Perhaps this is what you see on your coin -- but I can't see it on mine.Last edited by russellhome; 04-04-2008, 05:16 PM.Comment
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I have looked at that specific mark over and over and it looks nothing like the photo on coppercoins. The other mark near the date is also missing. Mine does look much more like yours though. You are right about the scratch on the 9 too - it is there. I am going to send it to Dr. Wiles to take a look at anyways. If its a different stage of 002 then maybe it will help to catalog it?Originally posted by russellhome View Post
Thanks again for taking a look!
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Thanks for looking everyone - turns out to be a new variety that will be listed as DDO-004, 4-O-II-E, Stage B, MDS.
I was very excited to get the letter today from Dr. Wiles. It's the 1st cent variety I have found and it turns out to be a new one at that. Very cool day indeed!
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