Would This Be Considered Shattered? Crazed?

[Weeble K]

Hi fellow forum members. I don't think I've ever asked a question here before but it sure seemed like the best place for this question. I found this 1983 Lincoln Cent last night in a piggy bank my Neighbor Lady gave me to look through. I say it was Struck with a Shattered Die. A friend says it doesn't match the criteria in that the Breaks are not intersecting. I say they are. Also this one Coin carries on it every listing CUDS on Coins holds for the year and then some and they list none for the Obverse side. If not Struck with a Shattered Die, then what would we call it. Crazed Die? Because I simply cannot refer to it as just having multiple Bi Level Die Breaks +++. You know? I need to clarify exactly how to label him. There's a buttload of photos. Sorry for that. I Believe it is worthy of each one though. Thanks for any input any of you may have. - Karen

[Weeble K]

2nd batch.

[Weeble K]

That's all. I hope I didn't send through any duplicates. Thanks for looking. -Karen

[Gcantrell7]

First off, those are two different dies used in the minting process. Those dies aren't shattered. You have a few cracks on each die. In 1983 they overused the dies quite a bit.

[Weeble K]

As you say so eloquently, First off, of course it takes 2 Dies to Strike a Coin. The Anvil Die most generally Strikes the Reverse side of the Coin and the Hammer Die most generally Strikes the Obverse.

I asked my question because I did not know what TO call it. However, I am sure that its Title will not be '1983 Lincoln Cent Struck With Dies With A Few Cracks In Them'. Smh and Lol.

Also, I do so agree that they did overuse their equipment in 83 and really every year since the beginning of time. BUT... Did you bother to notice that the Dies that Struck this Coin were not excessively worn out? Granted there are quite a bit of those peskally, in my best Elmer Fudd voice, Zinc Blisters all over it, but I am not aware if that is a sign of Deteriorated Dies. Is it?

And finally, let's be real here, kind Sir, there are more than a few cracks there. Don't ya think? So... What should we label it as, if you please? Can't we all just be nice?

[Gcantrell7]

I wasn't being mean, I'm sorry you took it that way. You asked if the die was shattered and then show both sides and the cracks on them. A shattered die will have multiple adjoining cracks and the coin will literally look like it's falling apart. Even with multiple cracks there has to be displacement of the design in multiple areas. Again, sorry if you took it as being mean, as it wasn't intentional. When reading any conversation on line you have to understand that it can be taken in many contexts. You however did act an arse towards me, but I'll excuse it.

[Weeble K]

Well, I think we will get along just fine. I too am often mistaken for being rude and abrupt, and not only on-line. But you're correct that I was being an arse, because that is what I felt I was being given. Thank you for your forgiveness, kind Sir. ( That was me being nice and not sarcastic)
So... With that all out if our way, there absolutely HAS to be a better title than that whole With Lots Of Cracks deal. Help me out here, Dude. It's not every day you find a Coin with this many Breaks. Especially with each one leaving a trail of chips in their wake. At least not every day for me. This is only my 2nd, and I am sure the 1st one was Shattered. So what say you? I don't wanna just make something up. Lol! But I can be quite imaginative.

[MintErrors]

A good website to bookmark is...
https://www.error-ref.com/index-of-entries/

Shattered dies, in my opinion will have a spider web look to it.
Some parts of the die may have fallen out or disentigrated,, and there is no pressure applied to that area, resulting in that part of the coin being slightly higher.

Die cracks on coins can be quite numerous and might not be referred to as a shattered die at all.like this coin.... I personally call this multiple die cracks.... is it a shattered die? To me, in my opinion, it's basically the same thing until pieces of the die are gone. Then I believe it becomes a shattered die. I guess what I am trying to say is, as long as you can see all of the details of the coin, it might not be a shattered die.its a matter of opinion, honestly. It boils down to a textbook definition...

https://minterrors.org/wp-content/up...racks-head.jpg

The only way I can simply explain it, is a shattered die might resemble a shattered pane of glass or a mirror. It should have at least several cracks that intersecf, and pieces may very well fall out and cause the die to fail.

[Weeble K]

Well, that's a great description. You mentioned spider web looking. That's what I've called the Die Crazing. Those suckers are very hard to map out. I don't use a Microscope so it's even more hard. Anyway, that has nothing to do with this Coin. I am often on error ref, the other links are new to me so I will check them out. Thanks for that. I'm always looking for new sites that don't seem to come up in my Google results. Google just always thinks I am looking to buy something so my results are all geared towards commerce. After my study I'm sure I can think up some awesome Title for this one.

Thanks for your help this evening. HAPPY 2023!!! - Karen

[MintErrors]

Look at the main page of this forum at the bottom. There is an extensive list of websites, some error and variety based ones.

[Weeble K]

Thanks so much. I do intend to. Happy New Year! -Karen