I have been in touch with Mike Diamond he wants to take a look at it but if it turns out to be what I'm hoping it is he's not sure that any grading company will take his findings into consideration for a attributing it. Well here it is.
64 Kennedy half possible type 2 counterclash
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64 Kennedy half possible type 2 counterclash
So I have this 1964 Kennedy half possible type 2 counterclash if not then it's something close to that and cannot find anything on it as far as attributes so thinking it's a new find.
I have been in touch with Mike Diamond he wants to take a look at it but if it turns out to be what I'm hoping it is he's not sure that any grading company will take his findings into consideration for a attributing it. Well here it is.You do not have permission to view this gallery.
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Mike is almost always right o.n his attributions and examinations. One thing to consider is the condition of the coin. It will probably be more expensive to send, than the coin is worth, as long as it does not comeback as a details grade ( something wrong with it ). I barely can make anything out in the photos, so I cannot say if it it is worthy.
The https://maddieclashes.com website is probably the best place to look for a match. IF it is a new version, they can post it on their website. I believe that is free. I don't know if Mike Diamond charges and examination fees for seeing a possible issue coin in hand. After all it does does cost something to mail it back....Gary Kozera
Website: https://MintErrors.org
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Here tonight I'm going to use my coinscope to take pictures and then transfer the photos to my computer and post some more these are the pictures that I was showing on coin community and most everybody was trying to tell me they were bag marks but there's no abrasions or anything and the anomaly is risen and also in the four main humps there is a void in the middle which wouldn't be consistent with bag marks either...
I got to thinking because I got about $40 in Kennedy halves when I got this one and most of them are in MS condition I'm thinking most of the marks on this coin are from whatever caused the anomaly and thinking it might have been a die being dropped on it rather than a type 2 counterclash...
If it does come back details which I think means that it is a mint error right? How would I go about getting it noted on the slab when getting graded because Mike was saying that there's a big possibility that they won't note it when getting it graded So how do I show people that this is the coin with this error..
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IF you are talking about that "W" style pattern on the wing of the eagle, that very well may be a bag mark, a reeding hit from another Kennedy. Working dies have images of the design sunk into the working dies. in order for it to be in the sunken area, its got to be so strong that it would have left a far more noticeable clash on the flat field of the coin, where it is level.
No need to give me more photos. If I cannot readily see it on the posted photos, I don't see a reason to add more of the same. You can add them for others that might chime in here. As for me, I think I side with Mike Diamond, and think its simply too minor to tell.
A details grade means there is something wrong with the coin, it's scratched, cleaned, damaged or other issue.
Mike is right, if it is super minor, the grading companies will probably not "recognize it" as an error.
There is absolutely no sure way that a grading company "will" add a phrase to a label unless they are sure of it, and recognize the variety or error. One thing is sure though, most if not all third party grading services will take the payment for looking at the coin. They can be quite pricey.
Dies that clash are probably being set up for minting coins. typically there is a safety margin in between the dies to keep them from clashing and damaging the dies. The clashes normally show only on the flat field of the coin and show an outline of the other die.
The other things it could be if it is raised in the coin are die gouges, die cracks or die breaks.
There does not have to abrasions on a coin to be considered bag marks. Bag marks are typically made on coins after they have been struck and probably transferred into bags, or through rough handling. Kennedy bag marks are typically square like holes that are from the reeding of one coin hitting another coin on the design.
Its your coin, your money, your reasoning and risk. Good luck on the decision.
Last edited by MintErrors; 07-03-2023, 02:50 AM.Gary Kozera
Website: https://MintErrors.org
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Why do you say Mike says that it was a minor error. He was very interested in examining the piece and he doesn't believe it's bag marks there's no abrasions the anomaly is raised like and there is a void in the middle.. it is the eagles feather tips there are also arrowheads on the shield
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