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    Question with regards to incused designs

    Good morning,
    Can someone tell or explain to me what type of error or if it's an error at all when it comes to incused designs? I have found this on this on several different types of 2023 womens quarters where it looks like scrape marks between the letters. Is this an actual error and if so, what would it be classified as? Thank you for your time!
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    In my opinion, what would help greatly is the proper orientation for the photos. Straight on shots are the best. Any photo thats orientated at 90 degree angles can be turned by us to get a beter idea whats going on.

    With that being said, let me try to explain what this might be.

    If the scratches appears to be in the same basic shape and appearance within the same general area, they may be die abrasion/ die scratches. The mint does maintenance on the dies, since quarter working dies can hammer over 325,000 quarters in its life. They may remove a die and inspect it periodically and attempt to clear out and debris from clogging the die. I am unsure of what type of tool or cloth they use, but in can scratch the flat field of the coin some. Those scratches would fade over time as the die ages with more strikes.

    Working dies may have raised areas, so when they strike the coins, they are incused into the coin. A few attributors I have conversed with are reluctant to call any of them doubled dies. It's a terrible design in my opnion, since the die has to penentrate the planchet and it may cause the planchet to shift slightly, even if the collar or device that holds it in place is working properly.

    Lastly, it has a slight chance of being struck through debris or, a mild die clash.

    Hope the info helps.
    Last edited by MintErrors; 09-25-2023, 05:21 AM.
    Gary Kozera
    Website: https://MintErrors.org

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    • #3
      Good morning,
      I will remember that with pics, sorry and thank you. I understand a little better. I didn't know if what I was looking at would be considered an error. It seems more common on these new incused coins.
      I have bunches of older coins yet to go through, they will be like a different animal compared to these new coins.
      Being a newbie, I marvel at the knowledge you and others hold.
      But then too, I guess it's much like my field of real estate (property management). It's not something that you learn over night. It's taken me almost 23 years to get where I am today and I am still learning. Both my profession and these coins are definitely a learning process and sometimes a head scratcher
      There are so many terms/varieties to learn. Are there any online classes/suggestions that you could recommend that would be helpful?
      Thank you for your help and time.

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        Originally posted by rlh7499 View Post
        Good morning,
        I will remember that with pics, sorry and thank you. I understand a little better. I didn't know if what I was looking at would be considered an error. It seems more common on these new incused coins.
        I have bunches of older coins yet to go through, they will be like a different animal compared to these new coins.
        Being a newbie, I marvel at the knowledge you and others hold.
        But then too, I guess it's much like my field of real estate (property management). It's not something that you learn over night. It's taken me almost 23 years to get where I am today and I am still learning. Both my profession and these coins are definitely a learning process and sometimes a head scratcher
        There are so many terms/varieties to learn. Are there any online classes/suggestions that you could recommend that would be helpful?
        Thank you for your help and time.

        No need to be sorry. Its a learning curve for all of us. The minting process is best broken down by what could have happened. Arnold Margolis wrote a versions of "The error coin encyclopedia". It takes you on a tour of a US Mint per se and how things were back in the day. Some of the data is dated, but most is still accurate. I compiled a few of the decent links out there. If some of the links are messed up, simply copy the URL in your browser to view the pages.

        Happy Hunting

        https://www.coinworld.com/

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mint-made_errors

        https://www.error-ref.com/ (especially the link directly below)

        https://www.error-ref.com/index-of-entries/

        https://minterrornews.com/

        https://www.thesprucecrafts.com/mint-error-coin-768452


        Types of Variety coins

        https://doubleddie.com/1801.html

        https://minterrors.org/index.php/wha...variety-coins/
        Last edited by MintErrors; 09-27-2023, 03:13 AM.
        Gary Kozera
        Website: https://MintErrors.org

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          Thanks Gary, have a great day

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