1962 Lincoln Proof Doubled Die Obv DDO-009

[MintErrors]

I am creating a post to try and match up a 1962 Lincoln cent proof that I believe is DDO-009. Please have patience with this post as I have an issue with the holder that I will show later, and address it with the third party grading service.

I believe it is DDO-009:
http://varietyvista.com/09d%20WQ%20V...962PDDO009.htm


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1962-prf-ddo-lincoln-TRUST-U-x4.jpg
1962-prf-ddo-lincoln-TRUST-S-x4.jpg
1962-prf-ddo-lincoln-TRUST-T-x4.jpg

I will explain what went on with this coin soon. Its an outstanding doubled die example for people to learn from. It shows great notching or split serifs on the UST. It's important to note that both impressions (aka hubbings) are at nearly the same height - they are NOT lower, step-like, nor do they make the letters or numbers look thinner or damaged. It has those classic cookie cutter style lines that I have said on here and within my blog post.

It's early. I need some coffee

[eaxtellcoin]

Morning Gary,
This one may also be Die #11. Yours has better seperation on the "U" that I cannot see on Die #9. Some of the PUP's, "Pick Up Points" are very hard to see from the reference photo's that are provided.
Eric

[MintErrors]

eaxtellcoin

One of the reasons I am going through the 40+ DDO's I have is that I believe the record system was messed up for the batch that came back a while ago.
The above coin was were discussing is labeled as a "minor DDO" but it has high hopes to be one that has already been listed - or should be a DDO. I don't see this particular one as "minor".

It's not a bash against any TPG - I was simply asking for clarification on this, so if I see others, I will submit them at the next show and get them corrected at least as a DDO, or better yet, the proper already documented DDO. It won't cost me anything but some waiting time.

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[eaxtellcoin]

The proofs we need really good photo's of the PUP's, otherwise many like this; that are very close, to a few dies with only OK reference photo's. I'm sorry not trying to bash, but if there are no markers: scratches, gouges then we maybe forced to use the coats outline to the 19 of the date, to overlay the variety against known varieties. This also leads us to die wear - where the variety gets somewhat more mushy and would be closer to the coat. It comes down to a good marker. Which proofs dont have many if any.

[MintErrors]

I'll dig around on the three that I have found so far and try to find any PUP/markers I can find. I am prepping for a coin show this coming weekend and most of the day is slam packed busy. I will try to get any photos out as soon as I can = )

[MintErrors]

eaxtellcoin

The only two things that I could find on this coin that might be some sort of markers are a very light scratch that goes in between the U and S in TRUST, and another area, west of the tie that has light scratch(es).

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pup-scratch-west tie.jpg

[eaxtellcoin]

Gary, Not picking.
Look at your other examples and see if the same markers are there. I just want to make sure those are not on the ANACS slab.
Sorry.

[MintErrors]

hey, no need to say sorry, Its all good advice.
The other two I have found, I should have clarified. I do not believe they are from the same die.

I am probably going to break these out and take it from there. I'll double check the one in question here first. maybe even find some better PUPS. I will try to take a full obv and rev of the coin as well. I may not get to this until Monday or later. Thanks for the assist.

[MintErrors]

ok, I broke it out. I left the outer plastic ring in place.
The scratch through US in TRUST appear to go from the rim, through the U and to the bottom of the S.
The scratch west of the tie is extremely light.
The area near the bow tie on the field is a little busy.....

pup-scratch-US-raw.jpg

pup-scratch-west tie-raw.jpg

PUP-scratch-neck-raw-2.jpg

[eaxtellcoin]

Hey Gary,
I cannot see those for sure markers on CC's 1962-P-1DO-002P - they have a photo of "TRU" and UST and I do not see it in those photo's. May also want to look at CC's 1962-P-1DO-040P, which crosses to 34-O-V also. I don't see any marker's on the VV example, but there are some on CC.
Eric

[MintErrors]

Thank you for the assistance Eric. I don't have any of the markers for the MDS version of 1962-P-1DO-040P, which crosses to 34-O-V, but the doubling from Jason's photos on CC are very very close to what I have.

So where is 34-O-V listed? I don't see it on https://conecaonline.info .
No worries about the listing, at least this a potential match.

Hummm, That may refer to the old CML.
Ummmmm I might have a copy of the old CML tucked away some where for Lincolns and Kennedy's.

[eaxtellcoin]

Take a look at VV. Dr. Wiles photo's are there of a coin of Brian Ribar's.