1972 DD0-004

[Mattman-84-DDO3]

I just found this beautiful rare doubled die. It still has some orange and with no damage.

[occnumis2021]

touche on your find!

[MintErrors]

In my opinion, DDO-004 is a hard one to find.
Are you sure it's 004 ?
The doubling is typically in the opposite direction of the other 10 or so DDOs.

If you believe it is DDO-004 you may want CONECA staff to look over.

The 1972 year was also riddled with a master hub that was doubled, which affected about half of all 1972 cents made. I think it was like 1.5 + Billion coins affected. That master hub doubling is actually not worth anything.

https://www.lincolncentforum.com/197...-die-doubling/

Typically if you see doubling on the LIB of LIBERTY, at the bottom of the letters, it could very well be one of the 11 or so known DDOs.

If the T's in TRUST look bowed, it may be master die (worthless) doubling. The T in LIBERTY can be bowed as well on the master die Doubling.

[occnumis2021]

In my opinion, DDO-004 is a hard one to find.
Are you sure it's 004 ?
The doubling is typically in the opposite direction of the other 10 or so DDOs.

If you believe it is DDO-004 you may want CONECA staff to look over.

The 1972 year was also riddled with a master hub that was doubled, which affected about half of all 1972 cents made. I think it was like 1.5 + Billion coins affected. That master hub doubling is actually not worth anything.

https://www.lincolncentforum.com/197...-die-doubling/

Typically if you see doubling on the LIB of LIBERTY, at the bottom of the letters, it could very well be one of the 11 or so known DDOs.

If the T's in TRUST look bowed, it may be master die (worthless) doubling. The T in LIBERTY can be bowed as well on the master die Doubling.

since you mention it, it does look too strong for #4.

will probably need to fall back to secondary diagnostics for confirmation.

[MintErrors]

With the master die doubling, a LOT of people think it's DDO-004 OR 005. There aren't enough photos to determine what it is, in my opinion. When I zoom in, it almost looks like it's some sort of damage ? It definitely looks odd.

Maybe eaxtellcoin can shed some light on what this could be. I would need more photos the clearer the better.

[Mattman-84-DDO3]

The picture shown of east/west die marker scratches above GOD and others in IGWT show the same distinct characteristics near the rim ( angle and location ). The subtle right side top of G doubling . The shape of each certain notch in a letter looking at it side by side against CONECA and Wexler's photos. The inner curve of 2 in the date. I have no doubt. I also have been collecting for over 20 years and accredited for find 2 new Lincoln error listed on CONECA.
Thanks for any concern. I have other errors to send in. Any value for insurance when I send this out for grading? I believe it is an early die without the obverse rim cud nor reverse die scratches, based on Wexler's stage listings.

[MintErrors]

The insurance claim is up to the sender. You can evaluate the approximate grade, go to pcgs and get an idea what the coin might be worth. The higher the value the higher the return shipping/insurance.

CONECA forum rules state we should not talk values, so I don't. We would have to guess since there is not a reverse photo to look over. The TPGs grade the obverse and then reverse and combine the grades.

Good luck. Let the forum know how it went.

[Mattman-84-DDO3]

Thanks, it was helpful. I wasn't sure where to judge it at. I recently got back in coin hunting and was rusty on a few things. Finding this error was like when I found my discovery piece 1984 1c DDO-003, 20 years ago.

[No_Ragrets]

In my opinion, DDO-004 is a hard one to find.

The 1972 year was also riddled with a master hub that was doubled, which affected about half of all 1972 cents made. I think it was like 1.5 + Billion coins affected. That master hub doubling is actually not worth anything.

I was so excited when I recently saw a fresh-looking '72 with doubling. Then I found another, and another... until I had a pile of coins all with similar doubling. A little bit of research later, I discovered the master hubs were to blame. I suppose I still have lots of doubled 72's... just that they're extremely common examples, even if they've been stashed away in a jar for decades. I feel OP's pain with this assessment.

[tropicalbats]

Coin is DDO-007, FS-107 Stage A

[Mattman-84-DDO3]

Only subtle difference I seen was the W in WE was weaker notched and LIB was not as strong doubling than the 007. I could be wrong since both are similar. Either way it's a nice class 1 rotation unexpected find. I sent it to get attributed. We'll see in a couple weeks.

[MintErrors]

I was so excited when I recently saw a fresh-looking '72 with doubling. Then I found another, and another... until I had a pile of coins all with similar doubling. A little bit of research later, I discovered the master hubs were to blame. I suppose I still have lots of doubled 72's... just that they're extremely common examples, even if they've been stashed away in a jar for decades. I feel OP's pain with this assessment.

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Many years ago, I had purchased a mint sewn bag of (5000) BU 1972 Lincoln cents from a reliable source. I opened it and it had tons of the master die doubling. I too was highly concerned that the bag would be a bust.

In the end, I had (39) DDO-003's and a full of others. I remember the ratio being close to 100:1 in respect to "normal coin" vs a DDO. To me the bag was worth the price. I sent about 20 of them in for attribution. I still have several of the DDOs in storage.

For me, The separation at the bottom of LIB in LIBERTY was my PUP when searching for the 72 DDOs. When I saw that, I knew I had something. In most cases, it's a solid thing to look for even on heavily circulated cents.