1944 P Lincoln Cent DDO “New??”

[RGuined]

Hello,

Need some expert help. I have a 1944 P Lincoln Cent I believe maybe a new DDO. I have not been able to find any documented attribution for this coin. Can you please take a look at and give me your opinions. I can see doubling a spread in the “T” and “Y” in Liberty as well as the “W” in “IN GOD WE TRUST”. There is also doubling in Lincolns ear lobe.

Thanks in advance!
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[MintErrors]

In my opinion, there is a slight chance it could be listed on variety vista as DDO-013. It might be a different die stage. But, the TY looks close. I have seen that style of "W" before, but at the moment unsure if it was related to a master hub (worthless doubling on W only). It will take some additional researching.

http://varietyvista.com/01a%20LC%20D...944PDDO013.htm

As far as the ear, it has to be magnified pretty high in order to see something. In my opinion, it very well may be "too minor to list". The ear is usually way more predominant on ear listings, if I remember correctly.

I personally do not collect extra thickness, eye, ear, column nor zinc doubled dies.

I will see if I can get Eric eaxtellcoin in here to offer his opinion.

[eaxtellcoin]

Afternoon folks,
I would also take a look at WDDO-017. Try to photograph some of those PUPS if your coin also has them.
Second, when I enlarge the photo, it's over pixelated/not in focus. Photo's with phones are very hard if not taken in the fine position. Normal is 640px, most close ups need to be in the 1600 range, at least on my Nikon Camera. There's not enouph here to verify, we need to also see the rest of Liberty in focus and then the rest of IGWT in focus.
Thanks for posting.
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[MintErrors]

eaxtellcoin Eric, with my tablet, I can zoom in on the original LIBERTY photo and make the images about 8 to 10 inches tall. I just click on the photo and it takes a few seconds. I can then zoom in without any issue. I dont know if a PC can do this. I will check on the PC later tonight or tomorrow.

[eaxtellcoin]

Gary,
My P.C scrolls through his photo's only. I see alot of marker's and other doubling on WDDO-004, If the poster can give us more doubling than just the TY of Liberty it would help. When I try to blow up what has already been posted, I see what I've posted above. Nothing closer and I cannot get any more detail from the photo's presented.

[RGuined]

Afternoon folks,
I would also take a look at WDDO-004. Try to photograph some of those PUPS if your coin also has them.
Second, when I enlarge the photo, it's over pixelated/not in focus. Photo's with phones are very hard if not taken in the fine position. Normal is 640px, most close ups need to be in the 1600 range, at least on my Nikon Camera. There's not enouph here to verify, we need to also see the rest of Liberty in focus and then the rest of IGWT in focus.
Thanks for posting.
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Eric,

I will take a look at that and post more pics for you, I took these with my digital microscope. I do also have AmScope with a 20 mega pixel camera but so far I have been unimpressed with the image quality. I’m sure I’m doing some wrong but haven’t figured the thing out yet as well as the lighting aspects to produce higher quality images.

Thanks,

Rick

[eaxtellcoin]

Rick, I looked at 1DO-001 which they have linked to DDO-013 and the doubling on the Y is the opposite side of the Y. I'm interested to see if you have any other marker's or doubling like WDDO-004 plus that helps verify it is a double die. If you can get a few better photo's of the doubling, we verify it. We will go from there.
Thanks,
Eric

[RGuined]

Rick, I looked at 1DO-001 which they have linked to DDO-013 and the doubling on the Y is the opposite side of the Y. I'm interested to see if you have any other marker's or doubling like WDDO-004 plus that helps verify it is a double die. If you can get a few better photo's of the doubling, we verify it. We will go from there.
Thanks,
Eric

Eric, will make two post for the photos. Let me know if you need any more images of certain locations. As I noted originally I was having a hard time matching this coin up to other documented DDO’s for this year. Also, if it comes to it I have no problem sending this coin in for attribution.
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[RGuined]

Second Set
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[MintErrors]

Eric,

I will take a look at that and post more pics for you, I took these with my digital microscope. I do also have AmScope with a 20 mega pixel camera but so far I have been unimpressed with the image quality. I’m sure I’m doing some wrong but haven’t figured the thing out yet as well as the lighting aspects to produce higher quality images.

Thanks,

Rick

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Lighting is the number one pain. Even after 4 decades, I have not mastered the lighting. Every coin is slightly different. If your using the AMSCOPE software, you can adjust the gain and other settings on that same panel area to help. You can change the size of the photo being taken. I typically take the largest size photos and then reduce them in size by photo editing software.

I use at least two lights so there are no blind spots. I also use white semi-sheer cloth and pratically cover the microscope to soften the lighting, enhancing the glow around the coin. I personally take photos with just enough light so there is no glare ot potential for shadows. My signature block has my website and most of the close up photos I have taken with an AMSCOPE with either a 16mp or 14 micrscope camera.

There is plenty of trial and error. Patience is virtue when taking photos.

[eaxtellcoin]

Wow I need to correct my post from above. I meant WDDO-017, not WDDO-004. Sorry for the confusion on my part.
Scrolling through pages with slow internet, then loosing everything typed by going back and forth between pages. Not fun..

I think I see a remnant of the Second T, Near the second T in TRUST. I'll post photo.
The coin presented appears to me to be a later die state coin then the one Wexler photographed.

Question Rick, Does your coin show the die gouge in the lower part of the first "U" on UNUM?
If so I think its a minor DDO.

You can post the photo's to the Variety attribution forum if you want someone to take a closer look. It's up to you but pay attention to the attribution guidelines.
There is a fee for both member's and non members. 1944_Coneca.jpg

[RGuined]

Wow I need to correct my post from above. I meant WDDO-017, not WDDO-004. Sorry for the confusion on my part.
Scrolling through pages with slow internet, then loosing everything typed by going back and forth between pages. Not fun..

I think I see a remnant of the Second T, Near the second T in TRUST. I'll post photo.
The coin presented appears to me to be a later die state coin then the one Wexler photographed.

Question Rick, Does your coin show the die gouge in the lower part of the first "U" on UNUM?
If so I think its a minor DDO.

You can post the photo's to the Variety attribution forum if you want someone to take a closer look. It's up to you but pay attention to the attribution guidelines.
There is a fee for both member's and non members. 1944_Coneca.jpg

Eric,

Photo of UNUM

Thanks,

Rick
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[RGuined]

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Lighting is the number one pain. Even after 4 decades, I have not mastered the lighting. Every coin is slightly different. If your using the AMSCOPE software, you can adjust the gain and other settings on that same panel area to help. You can change the size of the photo being taken. I typically take the largest size photos and then reduce them in size by photo editing software.

I use at least two lights so there are no blind spots. I also use white semi-sheer cloth and pratically cover the microscope to soften the lighting, enhancing the glow around the coin. I personally take photos with just enough light so there is no glare ot potential for shadows. My signature block has my website and most of the close up photos I have taken with an AMSCOPE with either a 16mp or 14 micrscope camera.

There is plenty of trial and error. Patience is virtue when taking photos.

Gary,

Thanks for the info, I’ve had the scope for a couple months now and has been frustrating for sure. I will work more on the software settings. Looking through the scope the detail is amazing so it’s frustrating not to be able to get an image as good as what i see through the scope.

[eaxtellcoin]

Rick,
Thanks for taking the extra photo's. To be honest im on the fence. At the most its a minor variety. The coin could be WDDO-017 but I'm not 100% sure that is not a shadow lower left on the first U of UNUM. Plus the die state is much later than the state photographed there / Wexler Website.