1956 D DDO DDR Coin 3 Variety Attribution Needed

[Kid Charlemagne]

Okay, here is another example. I see: Date Double, Mint Mark, Liberty, Something funny going on with In God We trust, DDR: I see doubling on United States of America, I see a huge die crack on the Obverse, Lincoln's Head. I see rim markers. I see a huge scuff behind lincoln's head, I see a deeper lines around Lincoln's body.

[mustbebob]

Once again, I do not see any signs of a hub doubled die. You are describing things that are errors as well as possible doubling that I can't see in these photos. Once again, I am going to ask that you do some studying on what a doubled die is and what isn't. If you don't know, every time you submit a coin, there is a good chance you will be upset as to what we are finding. After a certain point, we will just have to ask you to stop as we are not in a position to look through your entire collection to maybe find something.

[Mlarter]

This pages explains doubled die very well and what to look for and what isn't doubled

dies https://doubleddie.com/58222.html

https://doubleddie.com/273301.273301

[Kid Charlemagne]

Thank you very much for the information. Please see image. I have a few 56 D's. I might know a bit about them. If fact, for two of the dies that stamped these coins, I can sequence, in physical coins, the die deterioration of both...from Mid to LDS. I have full on DDO and Full on DDR also what I am trying to attribute is DDO and DDR. In one image I see DDDR. That's just from 10 rolls OBW, Stored for 50 years in Tubes, All from same mint session. I have 25 more. Maybe I will find a more Extreme example everyone or at least one person will say something good about.
Thanks Again!
Kid...

[Kid Charlemagne]

I will probably find something in these 25 rolls you may like....
Kid

[Peter]

Is the TruView image and coin you are posting here yours? I asked in one of your other posts and you did not respond.

[Kid Charlemagne]

Yes, Also 4 more on NGC. They should be up by now.
So, all the experts here are so quick to say "No" No Doubling on this coin... Yet neither of them offer an explanation or answer as to what is going on with these coins. After looking at over 800 of these coins in MS State, I know what is going on...I also know exactly what a perfect good strike OBV and REV on these coins looks like. The varieties I am trying to point out ARE NOT Perfect Strikes. I have many of them and I know what they look like.
What has happened here is on the first strike. the pressure was set too high and the coin was struck slightly off center. Look at the rim widths. Very skinny on the east in most cases and very wide on the West. The Die Bounced and or stuck twice. The second strike was 1 to 4 - 5 MM back to the west, I think, because you can see the second rim strike on the Fat Wide West rim. The east words like We Trust and sometimes date and many things on reverse side are either doubled and or Flattened and extended. This is a form of Double strike. Many examples are fat letters extended or actual striped letters or better. showing actual doubling. If you see my entire cataloged coins in the image I posted, in person, you would agree.

[Kid Charlemagne]

Off center first strike. Tilted Second Strike....

[Peter]

Thank you for clarifying ownership of these images.

The Die Bounced and or stuck twice.

Planchets can bounce during striking, dies cannot. Strikes do not cause varieties, dies do.

This is a normal coin with nothing to explain.

[mustbebob]

You do indeed have some insight as to what you THOUGHT happened. However, almost all of your guessing is incorrect. We do not have to explain to you how anything happened because that's not what you asked for. You made a statement that these were all DDOs and DDRs. You were (and still are) wrong.
None of us was there when these anomalies happened, so what you are getting is results based on thousands, if not hundreds of thousand of prior examinations. So you looked at 800 of these coins in MS and that makes you an expert? I have looked through tens of thousands of this date. I have seen just about all that can happen. I have been doing this for 53 years.
You know what a perfect strike is? If that's a fact, you should know exactly what happened here. You say you do...but once again, you are incorrect. Your initial take was that they were all doubled dies...now you are explaining striking errors. Who is confused now?
Your guess of off center and then tilted strikes is incorrect because there is a single strike on business strike coins. You should have known that. Peter explained about what may move during a strike. You should have known that too.

I asked you right off the bat to research how the mining process worked. I asked you to look at some other coins to try and match what you have. What you did was take 30 seconds and grabbed at straws to try and sound like you did some research. You said they were originally rotated and tilted hub doubled. Can you explain what is tilted and what is rotated? Everything you said was 'it looks like this to me'. Once again, you were incorrect,

Why can't you just accept what people are saying? Everyone else on this forum is wrong? The grading services are wrong? The experts are wrong? We don't understand? You are not unlike hundreds of people before you who thought they knew everything. They came to this forum (or others) and found it very difficult to believe they were wrong. It is tough, but believe that almost all of us have been there before. We all started off knowing nothing. Those of us who took the time to study, research, talk openly or do this for many years are the ones trying to help you out. Your mind is already made up that everyone else in the world is wrong. Unfortunately, many of us already know where this type of attitude may lead. Be HUMBLE when dealing with others here.

[jcuve]

Thank you very much for the information. Please see image. I have a few 56 D's. I might know a bit about them. If fact, for two of the dies that stamped these coins, I can sequence, in physical coins, the die deterioration of both...from Mid to LDS. I have full on DDO and Full on DDR also what I am trying to attribute is DDO and DDR. In one image I see DDDR. That's just from 10 rolls OBW, Stored for 50 years in Tubes, All from same mint session. I have 25 more. Maybe I will find a more Extreme example everyone or at least one person will say something good about.

This make no sense. Please do not come here and argue. Or post insistently in one thread.