1965 Roosevelt Dime " TDR"?

[ChefHowe]

I see nothing of this on variety vista or on any other 1965 Dime I have looked at. Thoughts?

[CoinHunter]

Machine Doubling?

[mustbebob]

I agree that all of this is machine doubling.

[ChefHowe]

Machine tripling? On a 1965 sms? I will try to get better pics so you can see the split seraphs

[mustbebob]

Machine doubling or tripling is VERY possible. It used to be called 'chatter' as the die will jump very quickly on the struck coin. Your pics are awesome, and make this very easy to identify. Notice how each strike takes away from the normal thickness of each device. The genuine doubled die would add thickness, and the split serifs you mention would be different than what your photos show. Here is a link to our 1964 10 cent DDR-009. I picked this one specifically as it shows nice examples of what split serifs look like:

http://www.varietyvista.com/07%20Roo...964PDDR009.htm

I hope this helps.

[ChefHowe]

1964 Ms and 1965 sms are way to different coins to attempt to compare any doubling issues. Like I said I will find a way to get better pictures that show the split seraphs. You are way to quick to jump the gun on machine, machine, machine just like everyone else I proved wrong. Please refrain from my post's please. I will wait for someone who knows a little more about attributions.

[MatthewSallee]

Since the images are very good, large and clear, you can see that the anomaly on the design elements appear to have the look of machine doubling.

I've learned a lot from Bob over the years and he knows his stuff. I doubt he would be a moderator on this forum if he didn't. Theres no reason to get upset like this at someone trying to help you on coins you're asking opinions on.

[mustbebob]

1964 Ms and 1965 sms are way to different coins to attempt to compare any doubling issues. Like I said I will find a way to get better pictures that show the split seraphs. You are way to quick to jump the gun on machine, machine, machine just like everyone else I proved wrong. Please refrain from my post's please. I will wait for someone who knows a little more about attributions.

I deal with people every day who think they know it all ChefHowe, and you are no different. I will not refrain from replying to your posts either. There are few out there that know more about attributions than I do, so I am well within my element here. If you think you can just prove me wrong like you have all the others, then go ahead and do so. This is my forum and as the moderator I will ensure that it runs smoothly. I am not quick to jump on machine doubling. I happen to know what it is and have seen over 50 years of it. Just because you may not have seen it, doesn't mean it don't exist. For informational purposes, they are called serifs, not seraphs. Another point would be that any true hub doubling, whether on a business strike coin, or a Proof or SMS from this time frame happens the same way. That means your statement of

1964 Ms and 1965 sms are way to different coins to attempt to compare any doubling issues

is incorrect as well. I was merely pointing out what split serifs actually look like. That is EXACTLY what I said in my reply.

I will ask politely that you refrain from getting angry because our replies don't meet with your satisfaction. As M. Sallee mentioned, you came here to ask for opinions, and that is what you received.

[atrox001]

ChefHowe…How many opinions will it take to convince you your Roosevelt Dime is MD (Machine Doubling)? Here is another opinion from me…MD, l actually like to refer to it has MDD (Machine Damage Doubling), when I see MD, I think of Master Die.