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    1960 Roosevelt Proof DDO question

    I have located a 1960 Roosevelt Proof which appears to be a FS-103. When I located it on VV it appears to be a 1960 DDO-006, PR-6-O-II-C with the rim die marker.
    Question: Will this still be considered a FS-103 being graded?

    Sorry about the pictures, I am having a problem with lighting, light diffusion, angle on these "shiny" coins!
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    If this particular die is not identified as FS-103 in the Cherry Pickers Guide, it is not considered as that when it is graded. Only DDO-004 would be FS-103 for the date.
    Bob Piazza
    Lincoln Cent Attributer

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    • #3
      Ok Bob, I understand about what PCGS (Cherry Pickers) say about DDO-103. My question is VV designates this as a 006? I have NO MD on anything? EVERYTING has Better DD? Why is this not worth more?
      I'm am ranting, but explain?

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      • #4
        I can not answer as to why one coin is worth more than another. Supply and demand is normally the determining factor on pricing.
        I can tell you that Cherry Pickers listed coins sell better because they are listed in that publication. All of the FS designators listed on VV are put there because they are listed,
        In my opinion, There are literally hundreds of better varieties out there that are not Cherry Pickers listed. The publishers of the CPG decide what is listed and what is not. That is what we must go by until a new version of the CPG adds to or deletes from the currently listed varieties.
        Bob Piazza
        Lincoln Cent Attributer

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        • #5
          Originally posted by In4redKeith View Post
          Ok Bob, I understand about what PCGS (Cherry Pickers) say about DDO-103. My question is VV designates this as a 006? I have NO MD on anything? EVERYTING has Better DD? Why is this not worth more?
          I'm am ranting, but explain?

          PCGS doesn't have anything to do with Cherry Pickers, other than listing the FS numbers for the coins in question.

          One thing people do not realize is that on the PCGS website, you need to locate the coin date you are looking for. Now that you have the coin type and date in front of you, see that little PLUS SIGN next to the date? Click on that and additional varieties will show under that date.

          Cherry Pickers should be used as a reference. The books are old for pricing standards, the latest one being over five years old. prices are based on an old addage that says "The coin is worth only as much as the collector is willing to pay for it". A lot of times, it is simply about how the coin has achieved recognition over the years.

          To some what understand some sort of logic with pricing, as Bob mentioned is supply and demand. You can go to the Population report (PCGS) or Census (NGC) and get a general idea how common, uncommon or rare a variety is. The Plus Sign issue needs to be used there as well. This does not list every single coin in that variety, only ones that have been submitted for verification/attribution and grading/slabbing.

          In my years of collecting and as a dealer, the two coins that seem not to sell as well as others are the Roosevelt dime and the Jefferson nickel. Don't ask me why, they simply do not move unless some one is looking to complete a birth year set or offer them as a gift.

          I shrug my shoulders,and cannot give you a "logical" reason why one coin is worth more than another other than, drama, appeal, recognition it receives, and availability. One other thing is, that if the variety is near microscopic, people tend to shrug and shy away from them.

          Now, for the lighting issue. Lighting is a big pain for a lot of people. Just need to tame it, is all. = )

          I highly suggest on getting creative and figure out a way to diffuse the lighting. I use two LED sunlight bright white colored bulbs and they equal about 60 watts. I cover them with a sheer white fabric and if I need to, I move the lights or add an additional layer of fabric on them to get the lighting subdued / better. On some microscope software, they offer a brightness and/or gain controls to tone down over aggressive lighting as well. Manually set the settings vice using automatic. It gives you a lot more control.

          If you use windows 10 you can use the Photos app to edit and adjust a photo there. Some pretty decent tools in there if you dig just a little bit.


          Last edited by MintErrors; 12-24-2021, 02:20 PM.
          Gary Kozera
          Website: https://MintErrors.org

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          • #6
            First off, thank you Gentlemen for the feedback.

            Since I am a novice numismatic and I send this 1960 proof in for grading and attributes to PCGS what will it come back as? Just a 1960 proof or a 1960 DDO-006, PR-6-O-II-C or a ?? Same thing if I send it into NGC?
            I only have so much patience for taking pictures with lighting issues. I have attached my latest.
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            • #7
              If its not an FS variety, PCGS will not label it anything other than a proof. Im pretty sure NGC will recognize it with the CONECA #. ANACS will for sure. I like my coins raw.

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              • #8
                Thank you and well taken.

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