1983 D ddo penny?

[Dudeld]

CM220303-221700003.jpg CM220303-221650002.jpg CM220303-230723038.jpg CM220303-230257031.jpg CM220303-222405028.jpg A2 CM220303-222141021.jpg CM220303-221905013.jpg I have this 1983 D penny tat I see some doubling but not really sure. I think I see double but it all could be my lighting, angle and also machine double

[Kloccwork419]

No, its not. And it if was, its heavily scratched. Someone rubbed it. Never do that

[MintErrors]

It looks very minor at best. Make sure you try to compare it to http://varietyvista.com to see if there is a match.

There is only two, one of which is an earlobe, and the other is centered on "light" extra thickness....

http://varietyvista.com/01b%20LC%20D...983DDDO002.htm

More than likely you will not find a modern day variety coin with a variety on the obverse and reverse. The doubling should be very close to each other, anything you see that would look like it is off 50% of the letter or numbers would have to apply for all of the areas where doubling occurs.

Coppercoins.com may have some better photos. Bookmark the site, it will save time.

https://coppercoins.com/advsearch.php

Fill in the top date block with the year you want to search
pick what mint the coin is from
click the type of varieties you want to see and hit submit search button.

[Dudeld]

I never went or clean my coin that's hw I found it when I got it from store in my change

[Dudeld]

These are the areas that look like some kind of doubling or some type of error

[Dudeld]

I have compare my coins to the reference site and then they say to me the references site is not accurate

[MintErrors]

We are here to help. We do not see any doubled die on this coin. That is our experienced opinion. We frown on debating on a coin that the more and more photos you show, show the same thing....mechanical doubling mechanical damage or strike doubling....all WORTHLESS doubling.

See John Wexler's post. It may help.

https://doubleddie.com/144801.html

For your coin:

The "D" is split plating. The mint press struck the coin too hard and cracked the top layer of the coin. Its damage.

The "83" and LIBERTY is all shelf like, lower and not at the same height this is classic shelf doubling or worthless doubling. You need to look closely at doubled die coins to see all the impression will be at same height.

The reference sites? If you matched this coin to a known doubled die, what number is it?

The reference sites show good photos, you need to understand what they show and how.

The DIE that has the doubled die(it is the die with multiple impressions) is made of steel. This die with multiple impressions is added to the mint press and makes coins. The double die area does NOT move, so where researchers show photo of doubled die is the only place it will show up on a true doubled die coin.

https://minterrors.org/what-is-machi...anical-damage/

[Kloccwork419]

. Here we go. I knew commenting your coin was a waste of time. Ill never do it again and hope nobody else does either. Putting you on my ignore list.

[Dudeld]

I wasn't arguing or complaining I was just showing g where we I believe where I sefn doubling. I never s as I'd it was a doubled die. I was t old before to compare my coins and then I did and one of my coin was exactly like it then a person h a d it removed from www.varietyvista. c om. Th as to a ll I said.

[mustbebob]

I do understand what you are trying to get at, but a lot of these things shouldn't be an issue.

one of my coin was exactly like it then a person h a d it removed from www.varietyvista.

What person had what coin removed from Variety Vista? I don't recall ever seeing a coin like yours on there. Anyway, There is a very, very limited person or two who can actually do that.

I never s as I'd it was a doubled die.

Actually, you did, or are asking that particular question. What is the title of this thread? We really do want to help, but there are more than a couple of instances where your posts turn into something that seems argumentative. If you are posting here, then please be respectful of the opinions given. Sometimes, they are not simply opinions, but facts.

[Dudeld]

I haven't argued or disagree I was just showing what I see and MintError gave his observation on what it was so I took it as is and left it at that. And the no the title is asking if it's a DDO. Hint the question mark its not saying look here I have a 1983 d DDO no I was asking if it was not it is. On most of my titles they have q I re strong marks cause I am asking what the coin is or isn't. And you had talked to the arbitrator of varietyvisa to have the 1960 D DDO nickle checked a m d removed remember

[MintErrors]

This is the second post in a row where I personally have tried to be patient and tried to remain open minded.

I will help people who can comprehend what I am saying and understand what THEY are asking for.

You mentioned 83 DDO in your thread post name , it's clear as day.
It's also clear to a few people who have responded that offered their opinion that it is not a doubled die.

Two people see this as NOT a DDO, one with amplifying info, the other in very simple terms, and now people seem disgruntled just a bit, why is that ? The opinions should be appreciated and the thread closed. But now, it rambles on...........

It doesn't have anything to do with some other post, or some other coin. It's about the coin and comments posted in this thread.

Who says the reference sites are not accurate? I do not see this in the thread anywhere.

I will help the people who are willing to go that extra step, and that will listen to logic and reasoning. I am not going to defend my opinions, because they more than likely will not change unless a few conditions are met.

Variety coin collecting starts with learning as much as you can about the varieties that are out there. Research is everything. If some one does not research and totally understand the coin they have in their hand, then they do not know how to present it, and may not know enough about it.

A person that has some knowledge of what they have, helps people who wish to help, understand where a person is headed with a topic.

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I am a firm believer that most, if not all varieties have been identified prior to 1995. In my opinion, there is very low probability that a "new discovery" will be found. The odds of finding any new variety, especially in modern day Lincoln cents is astronomical. I think most people should concentrate on understanding and grasping what varieties are out there and THEN if they cannot find a match and have a strong possibility - bring that forward. People should not try to convince seasoned error collectors that a coin that has not been personally researched is a variety - it shows a strong lack of effort.

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Ideally when a person posts here, in my opinion, the original poster should put in too much information.

It shows they did their homework, and aren't shoving a coin at us and saying - - what's this ? When the poster adds additional info, it narrows down the possibilities and cuts down on time and needless posting. It also shows that the person is willing to do the homework/research and in the end - - hopefully post coins with confidence, knowing what they have in hand.

This puts the person in a position to not only understand what they have but will aid them in doing self attributions themselves. They can also offer well thought out rebuttals and may sway some one else's opinion.

It takes a while to get there. Like in life, what said in text or in words can be taken many different ways. In my opinion, taking the more respectful avenue is always the best, and it shows not only respect but may gain some as well.

At this point, I cannot say if I am willing to assist in this type of atmosphere, it SEEMS abrasive and there is an unwillingness to accept our opinions.

I will contemplate whether I wish to make any future comments within your threads.

[Dudeld]

Yes it says 1983 D DDO? Hint question mark which mean I think it could been but not sure so I was asking. And guess what you answered and others did too. I was just pointing out where I thought it was doubling so I can see what you guys thought and learn from that and move on to look for more coins that might truly be a true error coin worth it. I was appreciative of yours and others opinions. Bob asked about the other coin so I answered.

[willbrooks]

What you're seeing on the mint mark is a split/disturbance in the plating. Very common.

[mustbebob]

OK. When was the last time we kicked dead horses? This thread is closed. Next time, I won't let it get so far.