1974 LMC class V doubling on obverse and reverse? Die crack

[Daverage]

This 1974S LMC appears to have class V doubling on the obverse and reverse. I was looking at the doubling and at first thought maybe Machine Doubling or die deteriation. After doing alittle research on the different types of doubling I started straying away from those conclusions. Die marks as well as the pivot points are visible for the devices or hit the rim and everything seems to push out towards the rim as this class seemed to indicate. Lincolns head has what appears to be a nice die crack. The mint mark appears to be of the small type and maybe a RPM or OMM? Lincolns pedestal in the memorial has the faint line under Lincoln. In the memorial Lincoln has what appears to be doubled to his right, our left. I was not able to find this variety anywhere so any feedback on this coin, of what I'm seeing or confirmation would be appreciated. Or let me know what your take on it is. Lincoln also appears to have a nice die crack on his head. Could this die crack have caused such issues on the obverse? Sorry about all the pictures I just wanted to show what I am referring to and seeing.
Thanks in advance
Daverage

[MintErrors]

The last Lincoln Cent to have a DDO and a DDR was in the early 1940's I believe.
I don't know of any other modern day coin that has a DDO/DDR combo.

A visit to varietyvista.com would have helped you weed through all of the possibilities. There are no 1974-S DDO's or DDR's listed on varietyvista.

The mintmark is too far away to determine if it is an RPM. And on variety vista - there are no documented 1974-S RPM's as well.

A quick glance at the date and I suspect that to be die deterioration. Dies start brand spanking new - nice sharp and well defined. After striking hundred of thousands of coins, these tend to get loose, worn out and slip when striking coins since there is quite a lot of wiggle room to do so. Die deterioration was overwhelmingly evident in the 1970's and before.

You have to remember the coins are struck by being sandwiched in between two dies. What occurs on one side more than likely will not affect the other side unless it is pretty significant like a major error.

Die marks can be related to a known, documented varieties.

Umm the faint line under Lincoln is part of the seat he is sitting on.

IF a coin with all these issues ( DDO DDR RPM/OMM) was not found in the last 48 years, then it probably does not exist.

[Daverage]

MintErrors , Yes I understand what you are saying. I did search Wexlers and Variety Vista with no luck finding a match. Could I ask you to take a look at Lincoln himself in the memorial? His, our left, his right, looks like there is a hard die strike that doesn't look like a spread but more like something that doesn't belong. Should I attempt to get a better M.M. picture for you to take a look at? Thank you as always for you feedback and information on my posts.
Daverage

[MintErrors]

That same style affect which is probably die deterioration exists around the photo of AMERICA as well. Its that halo/sheen style affect where the die damages the field when it does some extra movement.

I really do not see anything on this coin that would lead me to believe it has some sort of variety on it.

[Daverage]

MintErrors, ok. Thank you for taking another look at the reverse.
daverage

[mustbebob]

The last Lincoln Cent to have a DDO and a DDR was in the early 1940's I believe.
I don't know of any other modern day coin that has a DDO/DDR combo.

Just to put it out there, there are many DDO/DDR combos on Lincoln cents after 1940...especially on some more modern issues. Years that come to mind from the coppercoins files are 1956, 2004, 2006, and 2009. There are others, but I am too lazy to look.

[Daverage]

mustbebob , thanks for another take on the situation. I will remember to look on coppercoins as well moving forward. Is there anything on this particular 1974s cent that I mentioned that catches your eye as a variety? Thank you, I appreciate the added information on this post Bob.
Daverage

[MintErrors]

Just to put it out there, there are many DDO/DDR combos on Lincoln cents after 1940...especially on some more modern issues. Years that come to mind from the coppercoins files are 1956, 2004, 2006, and 2009. There are others, but I am too lazy to look.

I guess I should have been more granular on those words. I typically use the CONECA website info, and I do see one DDO/DDR combo on one entry in 2004. But for me, I dislike the single squeeze technique. I dislike the fact that they call these newer finds doubled dies, when a single squeeze method was how the die was made. And lastly, I am not a fan of the zinc series. I do however have that 194x DDO/DDR somewhere in the safes at storage. It's gettin warmer and I may pay a visit out there, fire up the equipment and take some photos in the spring weather.

Ok, I am off the "my opinion" soapbox.

[Daverage]

MintErrors, I alway appreciate the information or opinions offered on my coins posted. I'm just trying to learn more personally as I go coin by coin.
thanks again
Daverage

[mustbebob]

My personal opinion on 1974 cents is other than the large and small dates, they don't have much to offer. I am afraid I don't see much on your coin Daverage that strikes me as being a variety.

Gary...I know your take on single squeeze doubled dies. You have expressed it a few times here. However, that is your singular opinion and there are other folks who do not share your take on it. Your post said that you don't know of any other modern day coin with a DDO/DDR combo. My point of 'Putting it out there' was that there are other many DDO/DDR combos after 1940 that you may not have been aware of. I do think single squeeze falls into the 'modern' category. Everyone just needs to be aware that Variety Vista is not the only file system out there. 1955, 1956, many proof 1962's and other dates do indeed have DDO/DDR combos, and well as doubled die/RPM combos, and that is long before the single squeeze hubbings became standard. I, just like you just want to be sure that all the info is out there for our membership.