60D Large Date Lincoln Cent Close and Wide AM

[atrox001]

I found these in a 60D roll...Close and Wide AM's. I don't know much about Lincoln Cent Varieties...is there anything to this?
1c 60D close AM.JPG
1c 60D wide AM.JPG

[MintErrors]

Hummm most everyone I have seen has been either or both in the 1990s. I think it's the 1992 that is most sought after. I will add a link to where they are on variety vista. As for the 60, I don't have a good answer why it happened in 1960 as well. Like the others, the proof die and business strikes must have got mixed up and a few put on the wrong line.

http://varietyvista.com/01b%20LC%20Doubled%20Dies%20Vol%202/Memorial%20Reverse%20Design%20Varieties.htm

[mustbebob]

The second coin looks a little suspect to me. Could you please post the FG on both coins, and maybe an obverse shot of each as well. It might be something to do about large/small dates, but for some reason, I feel I need much more info.

[atrox001]

Bob or anyone interested in this variety...attached are photos you asked for. I had found 4 of the wide AMs in this BU roll, the rest were close AMs.

coin 1
60D CAM rev (1).JPG 60D CAM obv (1).JPG 60D CAM FG (1).JPG

coin 2
60D WAM rev (2).JPG 60D WAM obv (2).JPG 60D WAM FG (2).JPG

[Kloccwork419]

Even when you look on pcgs. Some of both are shown.

[MintErrors]

The 1960 year they went thru a LOT of dies. I can see where the possibility is done where they new they were going to run out of dies. So they probably produced as many proof as they needed to and repurposed the proof dies, or al least the reverses. I don't know if the obverse dies are vastly different but people pay attention to the obverse side of coins than the reverse so in order to make the dies last long as possible it may have been an option. If Lincoln cents struck just a couple hundred thousand a die, and with at least 100 that have been attributed with rpms..... let alone any normal dies you would think all as well. They had a terrible mess in 1960 and the 60D small date over large date is there to remind everyone. I am sure those were pretty chaotic and unorganized times.

[DoubleYou]

1960 PROOF (Large).jpg
I think this is simply just an effect of deterioration of the die expanding elements with usage. Above I have collaged a proof coin for reference. Typically there are rather large differences between different design varieties besides just the closeness of certain elements. I don't really see any significant changes compared to the business strike coins, and I have looked at multiple of my 1960 coins that all show varying degrees of closeness of the AM that appear heavily dependent upon die state.

I don't know if I still have it, but I used to have a 2000 "Wide AM" coin that wasn't a true WAM, but merely the result of over polishing of the reverse die.