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  • 1964 SMS or proof no mint mark nickel?

    Hi, I found this nickel from a change of Market Basket last week, and it looks uncirculated with a sharp and shiny look; but I am not too sure whether it is proof or SMS even though I already compared it on PCGS's website and some on YouTube videos from a few coin dealers. My opinion is proof. Give me some advice. Attached are the 6 best photos with 2 different lights I can get with this nickel and the circulated 1964. Thanks.
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    The important take away, in my opinion is that the SMS version would look more brushed, and less of a highly polished shine.

    64 SMS
    https://coins.ha.com/itm/sms-jeffers...mp;x=0&y=0

    It is tough from photos to determine if this is a proof or a high graded business strike.

    64 Prf
    https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1964-5c/4196

    64 MS
    https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1964-5c-fs/84075
    Gary Kozera
    Website: https://MintErrors.org

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    • #3
      Ok thank you. I will check with those sites to see.

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      • #4
        Hi Gary, attached are my new best photos, after comparing them with MS, proof, and SMS, and reading the articles, what I saw is that this nickel looks more brushed; it does not look like either MS or proof. Maybe I am wrong, but would you please help and see if this really looks brushy and not too highly polished shine?
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        • #5
          I'm seeing some die imperfections on the reverse with your new images.
          Specifically, what appears to be some fairly strong die polishing lines around FIVE CENTS, between the O (CELLO) and M (MERICA), and the entry door to the building. The steps don't appear to be full steps which is usually the case for proofs and SMS coins.

          I'm thinking your coin is a nice looking business strike.

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          • #6
            Hi Pete,
            Oh, ok sure. That's nice, too. Thanks.

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            • #7
              Therefore, it's not needed to be graded I think.

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              • #8
                I dont have the coin in hand in order to tell. Again, photos are nice but its a world of difference between a photo and in hand examination.
                No, I don't do attributions for anyone else, only at shows for free, occasionally at the CONECA State Rep table in Virginia coin shows.

                Your best bet is to go the the CONECA main forums page.
                Go to the CONECA SERVICES page
                Go to the Attribution area and post in there.
                A CONECA staff member should respond and take it from there.
                Gary Kozera
                Website: https://MintErrors.org

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                • #9
                  Alright, I'll go to CONECA main page per your recommendation and will also double-check on minterrors.org once more. Again, thanks.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by heanvimean View Post
                    Hi, I found this nickel from a change of Market Basket last week, and it looks uncirculated with a sharp and shiny look; but I am not too sure whether it is proof or SMS even though I already compared it on PCGS's website and some on YouTube videos from a few coin dealers. My opinion is proof. Give me some advice. Attached are the 6 best photos with 2 different lights I can get with this nickel and the circulated 1964. Thanks.
                    Hello,
                    Maybe you can help me out on this. In 1964 I don’t think there were special mint sets (SMS). I think There were only mint sets and proof sets. The SMS were from 65 thru 67. In 64 there was a minute group of test coins minted, Very, very, few in existence that took on the SMS term only because they were specially minted as a run of test coins not as specially minted sets (SMS) to be distributed. All others were just business strike.
                    If this is not accurate I would appreciate your input to correct my understanding.
                    Thanks
                    Last edited by Ronald; 11-19-2022, 07:04 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Hi Ron,
                      Ok, thank you for the information. I've checked PCGS's website, and yes they have SMS for this year. No worries as I just want to make sure that this one can be graded per the Facebook group, who always thought it might be SMS.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by heanvimean View Post
                        Hi Ron,
                        Ok, thank you for the information. I've checked PCGS's website, and yes they have SMS for this year. No worries as I just want to make sure that this one can be graded per the Facebook group, who always thought it might be SMS.
                        Very controversial topic and the “Eva Adams Estate” story.

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