1951-D/S OMM 001; LDB4-002 with possible DDO in question.

[Me@coin$]

Hello there and thank you in advance for any feedback. Please see attached pics below of what appears to be 1951-D/S (OMM 001) with ‘BIE’ die break (LDB4-002) and possible DDO in motto?

Hope my pictures are suffice. Your time and advice are much appreciated.

Best,
Meagan

[occnumis2021]

nice coin. does it match any of the diagnostics listed here? http://varietyvista.com/02a%20LC%20R...Ms%201951D.htm

[Me@coin$]

Thank you for your feedback! Not sure if my coin is a match to the Variety Vista listings. It is most similar to 1951-D/S OMM 001 (FS-511) without the ‘BIE’ die break and doubling in the motto…

Any suggestions?

[occnumis2021]

your coin has this, like the arrow?

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[MintErrors]

Let's look at this page:
http://varietyvista.com/02a%20LC%20R...Ms%201951D.htm

Look at the best full obverse photo you have. One important thing is the mintmark placement on these Lincoln Cents. I do not know if it's a match for either one. Now look at the center of the D. The curved line on the original posters coin appears to be too far south. Plus I do not see the peek a boo serif to the southwest of the bottom of the D.

I could be wrong, it's been a long day, I will attempt to revisit this some time Wednesday.
Time for me to get some sleep !

[occnumis2021]

Let's look at this page:
http://varietyvista.com/02a%20LC%20R...Ms%201951D.htm

Look at the best full obverse photo you have. One important thing is the mintmark placement on these Lincoln Cents. I do not know if it's a match for either one. Now look at the center of the D. The curved line on the original posters coin appears to be too far south. Plus I do not see the peek a boo serif to the southwest of the bottom of the D.

I could be wrong, it's been a long day, I will attempt to revisit this some time Wednesday.
Time for me to get some sleep !

i thought the same thing about the mm placement. fwiw

[Me@coin$]

Please see attached photos below and sorry in advance for the subpar picture quality. I tried the coin photography guide suggested on minterrors.org with an iPhone 14 pro (using macro setting) but Im still not able to get clear zoomed-in images.

Any suggestions or tips on how to improve the image quality when zoomed is welcomed and appreciated!

TIA!

[Me@coin$]

Let's look at this page:
http://varietyvista.com/02a%20LC%20R...Ms%201951D.htm

Look at the best full obverse photo you have. One important thing is the mintmark placement on these Lincoln Cents. I do not know if it's a match for either one. Now look at the center of the D. The curved line on the original posters coin appears to be too far south. Plus I do not see the peek a boo serif to the southwest of the bottom of the D.

I could be wrong, it's been a long day, I will attempt to revisit this some time Wednesday.
Time for me to get some sleep !

Gary Kozera,

Your knowledge, time and helpful resources are highly appreciated!


*After studying the above educational links
and careful examination of coin in question… there’s definitely some PMD OR MMD; However, there is also clear notching (split serifs) with “cookie cutter” lines, & added thickness to many of the letters in the motto and ‘Liberty” (most prominently visible on “I” & “R”). In addition, the mint mark has what looks like a “peekaboo” serif NE and possibly SW.

What are the odds this could be a new variety coin (unlisted) and what is the best way to confirm if coin is, in fact, a DDO and/or OMM?

Please see additional pictures in above post and advise. As always, thank you for your time and consideration.

Best,
-Meagan

[Petespockets55]

I agree with minterrors (Gary).
Yours seems to have a diagonal line similar to OMM-001 but it's not in the same location as shown on VV.

Your coin is a late die state (LDS) coin which may be what you may be thinking is doubling. The images just aren't zoomed in enough or clear enough to tell.

[MintErrors]

Gary Kozera,

Your knowledge, time and helpful resources are highly appreciated!


*After studying the above educational links
and careful examination of coin in question… there’s definitely some PMD OR MMD; However, there is also clear notching (split serifs) with “cookie cutter” lines, & added thickness to many of the letters in the motto and ‘Liberty” (most prominently visible on “I” & “R”). In addition, the mint mark has what looks like a “peekaboo” serif NE and possibly SW.

What are the odds this could be a new variety coin (unlisted) and what is the best way to confirm if coin is, in fact, a DDO and/or OMM?

Please see additional pictures in above post and advise. As always, thank you for your time and consideration.

Best,
-Meagan

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Appreciate the kind words, thank you.

breaking this coin down logically will take some time, so lets start with some facts that apply to this coin and the working die that struck it. The working dies are made first. Back then, the mint mark was added by hand, so any signs of a doubled die can't be related between the working die being doubled and the mint mark being doubled.

The working die is metal, so anything of interest on a coin should never move. People perceive the doubled die wrong. The working die would have these multiple impressions on them and the working die would be added to a minting press. Blank planchets are fed into the minting press, an the dies strike these into coins. That working die with the doubling could produce up to a million cents before the end of its service life. Another thing which might happen is a mint worker may remove the die for maintenance and scrub away some of the doubling if it is found, or simply replace the die.

Now 1951 we have to look over if any ddo's exists and if so, what areas are affected. I will go through my RPMs and DDO rolls to see if I have any examples for the year and snap a few photos.

I will continue this in a bit, breakfast is calling.

[JC Stevens]

We need a close-up of the BIE to see if it's the LDB4-1951D-002 4F+

[Me@coin$]

We need a close-up of the BIE to see if it's the LDB4-1951D-002 4F+

Hi there JC & thank you for your reply! I’ve tried all morning to get clear close up images…with little to no success. I will have to figure out a better solution at a later time. However, for the time being I have attached the few decent pictures I was able to get.

While going through my ‘51-D’ BU roll I found what could be 2 more “BIE” sister cents. For time sake, I was only able to grab a quick shot of the 3 ‘BIE’ cents. The original posted coin is the top penny the two below it are the new BIE finds.

When I am able to get better images I will update.

Thank you for your patience, time & consideration! I look forward to hearing back!

Best,
Meagan

[Me@coin$]

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Appreciate the kind words, thank you.

breaking this coin down logically will take some time, so lets start with some facts that apply to this coin and the working die that struck it. The working dies are made first. Back then, the mint mark was added by hand, so any signs of a doubled die can't be related between the working die being doubled and the mint mark being doubled.

The working die is metal, so anything of interest on a coin should never move. People perceive the doubled die wrong. The working die would have these multiple impressions on them and the working die would be added to a minting press. Blank planchets are fed into the minting press, an the dies strike these into coins. That working die with the doubling could produce up to a million cents before the end of its service life. Another thing which might happen is a mint worker may remove the die for maintenance and scrub away some of the doubling if it is found, or simply replace the die.

Now 1951 we have to look over if any ddo's exists and if so, what areas are affected. I will go through my RPMs and DDO rolls to see if I have any examples for the year and snap a few photos.

I will continue this in a bit, breakfast is calling.

Hope you enjoyed your breakfast! I appreciate you taking the time to respond and explain.

Unfortunately, I’ve tried just about everything to get clear close-ups & am not having any success. I will have to come back to this when I have more time to figure it out.

For the time being, I attached a few more photos in the post above.

Thanks again and chat soon!

-Meagan

[Me@coin$]

I agree with minterrors (Gary).
Yours seems to have a diagonal line similar to OMM-001 but it's not in the same location as shown on VV.

Your coin is a late die state (LDS) coin which may be what you may be thinking is doubling. The images just aren't zoomed in enough or clear enough to tell.

Thank you for your help! Better images coming as soon as I can figure that part out.

Best,
Meagan

[Me@coin$]

Good morning! Please excuse the overload of poor quality images. It’s a work in progress. Attached are my latest attempts to capture the mint mark. Not sure how helpful they are but… doesn’t hurt to try.

Also included a picture of 3 (now at 5-still going through roll) “BIE” cents found in same BU roll.