RPM 1947-S/S N/E Roosevelt Dime no attribution on Variety Vista?

[jeffallen6767]

Hi everyone,

I've been searching through some dimes looking for varieties and errors, and came across what I believe to be a new variety:

RPM 1947-S/S N/E Roosevelt Dime, that I cannot find an attribution matching on Variety Vista.

I was directed here by an authority on the subject, and he suggested I post pictures and maybe someone could verify it would need to be seen by an attributer.

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Thanks for taking a look and any help/comments are appreciated,
Jeff

[occnumis2021]

pretty decent close-up. i have a handful of discoveries and from my eyes, i don't see anything that says rpm.

i see something in the upper loop of the S that i think someone could think is part of an rpm because of the goop.

if i am missing something, please re-upload just the close-up with arrows and i'll do what i can. (i'm sure others may chime in as well)

edited to add: i'm usually not a fan of encouraging people to tamper with coins cuz most likely things will just get worse but an acetone soak and a gentle poke n prod with a toothpick or preferably a rose thorn to gently clean out around the mm wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. (use ventillation with acetone as it evaporates extremely fast)

[jeffallen6767]

thanks for taking a look, here's a cropped section showing just the mint mark:

I have highlighted in yellow around the edges of the brighter-looking metal counter-clockwise "S" I'm seeing N/E
of the main mint-mark... ( sorry about my awful art skills )

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hopefull this gives you an idea of what to look at, then take another look at this next mint-mark closeup in another tab and zoom in:

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for me it's right there plain as day, although it's incomplete for sure...

thanks again,
jeff

[occnumis2021]

thanks for the extra image and wonderful artwork.

seriously, it is nice to know precisely what someone is referring to.

imo, this is "Pareidolia."

if you did take a toothpick and/or an acetone soak, that would most likely all go away.

goop has fooled many a numismatist. - it comes in many shapes, colors, etc.

the one that still gets me is when there is clear hard goop. (got a foreign coin somewhat recently) that looked like the reverse was full of damage cuz that goop bent the light and the coin was pretty small and needed pretty strong magnification and some acetone soaking to confirm. i knew some of it was goop but turned out MOST of what i thought was damage (put off buying becoz of this) was just the light-bending goop.

it happens and will happen again.

[eaxtellcoin]

Morning Jeff,
Thanks for the great close ups and the extra addition of where you see a possible RPM. The problem with this one is as OCC has said, the darker area or goop maybe giving you the idea what is inside the darker area is an RPM. (1) is the area Raised?
(2) is there a second copy confirming an RPM? This is a Circ - probably not.
(3) Could also be circulation damage.
I have a Roosevelt just like this with dark spots around the mintmark and has serifs, I would not send in - just because the photo would not pick up the RPM. I just cannot confirm.
Hope this helps
Eric

[jeffallen6767]

thanks to all for taking the time to look and give helpful advice.

I will give this an acetone soak and update with new photos later.

thanks again,
jeff

[jeffallen6767]

So after a month of alternating acetone soaks and ultrasonic cleaning most of the goop in and around the mintmark is gone and you were all correct, I was tricked by the pareidolia... lol... oh well, back to the hunt!

Thanks again for all your help!

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[occnumis2021]

thanks for the update! - it actually looks good.

[MintErrors]

So after a month of alternating acetone soaks and ultrasonic cleaning most of the goop in and around the mintmark is gone and you were all correct, I was tricked by the pareidolia... lol... oh well, back to the hunt!

Thanks again for all your help!

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One thing I recommend is to look at the general shape of what it looked like in the beginning. The overall shape was bloated and undefined. An overlay may have helped. That way you might have seen/ realized that the area in question might have been out of the range of another similar S may have been struck. Overlays, even if crudely drawn on thin paper can help assess things like this.

It sounds like you have some decent experience in all this. I myself have seen many that I have pondered over time. If I typically don't feel confident with the call, then I tell myself it's probably not. I approach the process like an honest sales pitch. If I cannot convince myself it's something, then what would a potential customer think ?

[jeffallen6767]

Thanks for the attention and tips all, I do appreciate the help, and hopefully I can learn more every day about this facinating aspect of coin collecting!