1958 D 1c ODV-010 Over ODV-021

[LoyVA2]

ground off 1957copy2.pngThank you, Mr. Miller. But, I don't think that study included the Denver mint, or it would have said so in the type 7 description. Because here, in this picture, is an almost completely ground off secondary date, of 1957, north of the primary date. You can even see the grinder marks, west and north of the primary 1. Thank you.

[onecent1909]

It Doesn't look tripled struck, the 58/7 has been disproven. Im done.

[LoyVA2]

Dies were made in Philadelphia each year. there were NO coins made in San Fran after 58.. until 65, 66, 67 with not MM and ^* with a S mint mark. you coin does not have a D over S. this has been pointed out many times. Not possible as the mint Did not have S mint mark punches at that time. you have had specialist and a attributer let you know our opinion is it is not a DDO... it is not a OMM,... it is not an Overdate. If you believe otherwise, then enjoy your coin, find a attributer that is well known to assist you in IDing this, or have it certified paying the extra variety search fees. Sorry, but I can not help anymore. Thank You, Enjoy the Forum.

Dear Mr. Miller. I thank you for all of your help. Please keep an open mind to the possibility that this coin has been hiding in plain site the whole time and that it has never been presented in such an early die state before. If it is not an over date, why does it look like an 8/7? And if it is not a triple date, why does the date look like it was struck at least 3 times? 1958over7D_NOTE_SM.png IMG_941_NOTES_SM.pngThank you.

[onecent1909]

I, personally, do not find it strange, or impossible, that there would be a D/S in the early Lincoln series, especially so close to when they quit making business strike Lincolns in SF.

Dies were made in Philadelphia each year. there were NO coins made in San Fran after 58.. until 65, 66, 67 with not MM and ^* with a S mint mark. you coin does not have a D over S. this has been pointed out many times. Not possible as the mint Did not have S mint mark punches at that time. you have had specialist and a attributer let you know our opinion is it is not a DDO... it is not a OMM,... it is not an Overdate. If you believe otherwise, then enjoy your coin, find a attributer that is well known to assist you in IDing this, or have it certified paying the extra variety search fees. Sorry, but I can not help anymore. Thank You, Enjoy the Forum.

[LoyVA2]

Dear Mr. Miller, please reference the 1955 D/S CONECA: OMM-001 (FS-05-1955D-501) as they are near identical. I know it is a Jefferson, but where else are you going to go to find out what a D/S looks like? They have the most, don't you think?. I, personally, do not find it strange, or impossible, that there would be a D/S in the early Lincoln series, especially so close to when they quit making business strike Lincolns in SF. The good reverse dies were punched over with a D and sent off. Plus, I believe the serif on my coin looks better

[onecent1909]

it is not a D/S. it is not a tripled date.

[LoyVA2]

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How about a tripled date AND a D/S. There is no denying it now!

[onecent1909]

In my opinion, the S enters the D at the one o'clock position, and exits the D at the four o'clock position

Hello, I have to let you know, You have had 2 specialist inform you of their opinions.
I concur that this is not a ODV variety, not a OMM variety, and not a RPD as the 58/7 has been disproven.
The Philly and Denver 1958/7 has been disproven and unlisted as it is a die dent.

there is no possible way of ODV-010 over ODV-021. as stated there are 2 different sets of years decades apart.
dies that are hardened to strike coins would not be rehubbed. the mint now removes details and destroys dies after the year they were created for.

this G is Not the same G as on a ODV-010 so on your coin that one is disproven.
A old striking die would not be rehubbed, so that is disproven on your coin.
Die detail is to strong for this to be a retired die......
With that... this is not a die with a S mint mark as it can not be an older die with a newer date.... as so
the S mint mark were pulled in 1955 and San Fran stopped making coins until 1968. so this is disproven on your coin.
the 58/7 have been disproven as die dents so again on your coin that is disproven although some are still in previous certified slabs.

This is not an opinion but a given and proven fact.
I am sorry, but you are trying to make a variety coin that is not there and have had specialist that have years of knowledge let you know that this is not a RPM, not a OMM, not a doubled die obverse, and not a ODV variety.
Sorry but no.
John Miller.

[LoyVA2]

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In my opinion, the D looks normal. There aren't any "s" that I can see by the D. They did hammer the mintmark into the working die. It can dent the working die in the flat field around the D.

The working die has to exist in order for a coin to be made.

As Eric has said, the only thing MIGHT be something on LIBERTY.

Although the newer microscopes are great, they can show things at such high magnification that it looks like something major, but is minor.

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In my opinion, the S enters the D at the one o'clock position, and exits the D at the four o'clock position

[MintErrors]

You can see a 7 through the top and down the right side of the 8. The D is defined by a pair of S's. One on either side of the mintmark.

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In my opinion, the D looks normal. There aren't any "s" that I can see by the D. They did hammer the mintmark into the working die. It can dent the working die in the flat field around the D.

The working die has to exist in order for a coin to be made.

As Eric has said, the only thing MIGHT be something on LIBERTY.

Although the newer microscopes are great, they can show things at such high magnification that it looks like something major, but is minor.

[eaxtellcoin]

Loy, I'm sorry I have no idea where you are going with:
Please confirm DDO, RPD, RPM, OVERDATE and OVERMM
DDO is a Double Die OBV, Re punched date do you mean 8 over 7, """be specific - with arrows,"""" RPM is a re punched Mintmark, Overdate again do you mean 8 over 7? and Over mintmark means OMM or a D over an S which this coin cannot be. Please learn the terms.
1) RPM: I do not see anything to confirm: I don't think this is an RPM. Plus zoomed it's somewhat Blurry.
1958D_PCGS_Coneca(1).jpg
2) The eye doesn't appeared doubled and "In God We" does not appear doubled either:
The "E" of We is the only possibility I see with the photo from PCGS used.

1958D_PCGS_Coneca(2).jpg 1958D_PCGS_Coneca(5).jpg
3) Liberty is the only possibility I see but the photo is also blurry zoomed in.
We would need a close up of ""Liberty"" in focus and close up to confirm.

1958D_PCGS_Coneca(4).jpg
Thanks,
Eric

[LoyVA2]

Here is a coin from a die that does not exist. Please confirm DDO, RPD, RPM, OVERDATE and OVERMM 37566143_Obv.jpg

[LoyVA2]

Hello Eric and thank you for your helpful suggestion! I'll get right on it. Regards, Loy

[eaxtellcoin]

Hello LoyVA2,
I'm going to move this post to the General Forum.
The Die Variety Forum is the place to discuss Double Dies and RPM's

As for the photo attached. I zoomed his photo - overpixelated. Means the camera taking the photo was in the "REG" setting. The camera should be set to "Fine" setting and then you will need to crop the photo down to upload - it will be more than 5000 pixels.

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Hope this helps,
Eric

[LoyVA2]

You can see a 7 through the top and down the right side of the 8. The D is defined by a pair of S's. One on either side of the mintmark.