1924-S Counterfeit Standing Liberty Quarter

[eaxtellcoin]

These photo's are for Lance, and for that matter everyone!
Be carefull what you buy at a coin show. This counterfeit cost me $45 about 6-10 years ago from a reputable dealer.
I don't buy Liberty Quarter's because of it!

Remember at a show - coin dealers tables cost $400-$800 for a three day show. We may like to cherrypick but BUY something or move on quick. If you don't buy anything then other's cannot look by a dealers standpoint!.
I bought this in a rush, to get out of the spot, so the guy could let other folks look. Problem was lousy lighting and in a rush - I made this mistake.
It happens.

The old motto holds true: If it looks to good to be true, then it probably is a fake.
Enjoy! 1924-S-Quarter(1).jpg 1924-S-Quarter(2).jpg

[MintErrors]

Hummm I wonder if the fake has been documented by any attributor? Not that I am trying to burden CONECA with more work or a legal burden but I wonder if a small area of counterfeit detection was ever considered? I mean, most of the seasoned error examiners and variety specialists don't spill all of their knowledge about how they know its a fake. It's to keep the nefarious off balance and thier creations dectectable.

I set up at coin shows, and honestly it's a good feeling to have the tables crowded. In Virginia at least, we don't mind if they take their time. I typically don't like to rush folks, it seems unpolite. We break the ice and ask if they need anything or have questions, and they can window shop first and if they would like to purchase something, it's all good. That what dealers are there for.

It does cost some cash to set up at shows. It honestly depends on a few things.... table fees for us is typically 250 a table. We do 3 tables and they are chuck full o cases. 50 % US normal coins 50% of error coins. Hotels about 400 to 500, and food for the weekend is 250 or so... I refuse to eat fast food. It will kill ya. Then add gas and if you have staff or family helping, they get paid. Yeah, it adds up quick.

I am not pointing fingers I am just saying, some collectors are very courteous and don't mind getting out of the way for others. It's all good.... minus that coin, unfortunately.

[eaxtellcoin]

Morning Gary,
Here's the article I found in 2014:
1924_S_Quarter_Doc.jpg

[occnumis2021]

i'll say a few things. first, THANKS for posting it and the article.

also, a dealer could VERY easily look over a coin like this of such low value (no offense) by buying it in bulk/albums etc. it isn't obvious imo w/o looking closer. it has a good look to it tbh, esp being circulated as it is. (we'll never know if the dealer knew or not at this point but with a coin like this, not worth ruffling feathers over imo, except that mm perhaps)

i tend to take a little harder line on more valuable coins as they merit a good looking over not just for counterfeits but altered, smoothed, plugged etc. and during that process is where you usually notice the odd things. (exception would be of low value MD in dealer cases labeled as rpm/ddo etc ugh)

nice close-up images !

forgive me for saying this, it is just my process and i've done it hundreds of times in forums. for MY own appeasement, i'd probably almost consider the chance it is a in-collar? multi-strike or something (though i'm sure it is counterfeit cuz plenty of people already looked at it) and part of the reason i'd consider it (for a moment) is that i'm not used to seeing error coins circulated this much so i'd presume they'd take on some peculiar characteristics. (me being this way has uncovered some unknown counterfeits AND some coins that were authentic but presumed fake, ya, it goes both ways lol)

that being said, i don't have full high-res images, nor the coin in-hand. i'm going by JUST the images above and perhaps holding it in-hand instantly for me, let alone louping it (with a quality loupe) would settle it instantly.

either way, thanks so much for sharing.

good commentary about the table etiquette. something i've experienced a LOT traveling to shows over the years and discussing ad nauseam on coin forums. the best answer is read the situation. some dealers LIKE to shoot the breeze and i felt kinda rude TRYING to move along too quickly with some but i tend to be friendly, have neat stuff on me sometimes and have a decent amount of numis knowledge, so chatting is kinda easy. safe rule is just be nice and honest with people it will cover a multitude of minor infractions.

[eaxtellcoin]

Sorry Lance, Other things going on - Friday!
Here's the diagnistics - back side of article..
Hopefully I DONT get into trouble for posting these. Copyright. It is Knowledge.

1924-S-Quarter_Doc(2).jpg

[occnumis2021]

Sorry Lance, Other things going on - Friday!
Here's the diagnistics - back side of article..
Hopefully I DONT get into trouble for posting these. Copyright. It is Knowledge.

nice. thanks. have a good and safe weekend!

[eaxtellcoin]

Ahh there is a flip side to the ""Honesty"" thing. We have a dealer here that knows I look for mintmark varieties so "Since He doesn't mark" a price on the flip. He raises the price 2X since he knows that is what I deal in/sell on my website. So I wasted his time, at the table, and put the coin down. I always check grey sheet. Unless the coin is $10 and under. Then I've told dealers after they ask: "What are you looking for"" I'm a variety guy. Turn around and quote a price double of what is marked on ""There"" flip/ 2X2. Most of the dealers here is St. Louis know me. I've seen them countless times at shows so they know what i'm looking for. I'm just saying that there is a good side and a bad side in my oppinion.

If the dealer has discovered the coin and marked it on a flip, and I believe it's still a good price then I'll buy.

Most dealers 95% are fair and thank you for giving them coins that they miss/ dont study. This "quote" above can and does happen..

[MintErrors]

Good info. Feds like to know where countries surface. IF your interested in some red tape and possibly losing the counterfeit(s) you can contact the FederalcAgencies listed in article below:

https://www.ic3.gov/Media/Y2021/PSA210909

Or, just create an online post with relevant info and photos.

I personally don't have space on the tables at shows to display counterfeit detection and alerts. If documentation of any type are simply placed on the tables people end up taking them, thinking they are freebies, even if they are secured to the table.

[MintErrors]

forgive me for saying this, it is just my process and i've done it hundreds of times in forums. for MY own appeasement, i'd probably almost consider the chance it is a in-collar? multi-strike or something (though i'm sure it is counterfeit cuz plenty of people already looked at it) and part of the reason i'd consider it (for a moment) is that i'm not used to seeing error coins circulated this much so i'd presume they'd take on some peculiar characteristics. (me being this way has uncovered some unknown counterfeits AND some coins that were authentic but presumed fake, ya, it goes both ways lol)

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If it's a true error coin, these tend to be unique. They aren't like varieties like DDO/DDR/RPMs/RPD/MPD or others.

As you know,The DDO/DDR would show multiple copies of the coin, with all the diagnostics.

With a multistruck, in collar it would be unique, one of a kind. This seems to show the possibility of having more than one coin, looking the same with the exact same features and markers.

A seasoned coin variety hunter called me and asked me to look at a coin a few weeks ago. It was a foriegn coin, looked multistruck. We ended up deciding it was possibly counterfeit since the 2nd strike portion of the coin was off center, but the coin was perfectly round.... and there were 4 coins all exactly the same. The sellers were not within the USA but they were selling on a well known four letter website. I personally stay clear of that site.

I seen an anti-counterfeit article not too long ago where an overseas counterfeit warehouse was bragging online about the large number of working dies they have created for making a wide selection of US and foreign rare coins. If I can find that article I will see if I can pass along the link.

[occnumis2021]

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I seen an anti-counterfeit article not too long ago where an overseas counterfeit warehouse was bragging online about the large number of working dies they have created for making a wide selection of US and foreign rare coins. If I can find that article I will see if I can pass along the link.

yup. i've unfortunately seen many (in-person and online) of counterfeit error coins of many diff types/denoms etc.

as for the coin above, i only mention it to be talking out loud since it is all i can do in this instance.

[occnumis2021]

I personally don't have space on the tables at shows to display counterfeit detection and alerts. If documentation of any type are simply placed on the tables people end up taking them, thinking they are freebies, even if they are secured to the table.

ya, i've almost had ppl take my greysheets at shows/shops except had i not said something. rotfl

[MintErrors]

I put writing that basically said "do not take". Some were double sided tape on table cloths. I don't know why they couldn't just snap a photo of it and make as many copies of them as they personally needed.

Maybe it's for the thrill of it, the ease of obtaining or just plain blinders on, reading only what want to see. I dunno if do not take and free take all are the same in a universal style venue. Now they have to listen to me, vice have photos to relate to.

Eh, as long as learning took place, it's all good.

[occnumis2021]

dangit, all that yappin' i did and forgot to ask one of my more pressing inquiries.

is it silver? (if it was mentioned, i did not see it in my few viewings/searches)

[eaxtellcoin]

I have no idea except by weight. But I'm not pulling it out of the original 2X2 just in case I get a hankerin to take it back and press the issue. I see the guy every few big shows. If he recogizes his writing - I want my $$$$ back. But I cannot do that if I take the coin out of the flip. It weighs 8.5 grams including the 2X2 and three staples.